If the Nazis won the Battle of Stalingrad?

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  1. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    The real question should be what if the germans took stalingrad, moscow, and leningrad. If they did that it's game over for the Soviets.
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    If Stalin can keep the country under his control then not really. I mean the Germans would be in a hostile environment with a hostile population. If the Allies made a succesful landing and distracted the Germans the Soviets could turn it around.
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    But the Soviets would have lost basically all their industiral power. That's where the bulk of the Soviet force was to. If the Soviets lose the bulk of their fighting force Hitler could just literally wait out the winter in comfort.
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    Hitler should have prepared better and launched a three pronged attack into Moscow, Leningrad, and Stalingrad.
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    Well, at that point the Soviets captured a lot POW's that were used to power USSR's industries on Siberia, so I wouldn't say they were doomed after they lost those cities, also Vladivostok was a very industrialised region as well.
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    If the Nazis did take Stalingrad, any civilians that were left would've resisted anyway possible until the city was empty, and thus useless.
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    They might've preferred that actually... Considering the fact that that was the reason why he invaded the USSR. Wanting to repopulate the eastern front with German settlers and stuff.


    I'll stick with what I said in the past: They'd need to conquer Stalingrad, Moscow and Leningrad before the winter in order to find some proper shelter inside the city and be able to drop sufficient number of (winter) supplies near the cities.
    Because anything from September and on would've made roads impassable and any open warfare near Caucasus (let alone in that mountainous region) even more self-destructive.
    Even if they did manage to miraculously conquer the city before Operation Uranus but after November 1942 by then General Winter would've single handedly broken the German army.

    Best plan of attack: leave some Romanian, Hungarian and Italian (and possibly freshly levied) units behind to surround the cities and keep the surviving elements locked in there.
    With no supplies, no leadership and a none effective fighting force even the Italians should be able to withstand attempts to break out.
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    I don't know about that....
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    Well... Maybe not them. But surely the Hungarian and Romanians elements then...
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    Maybe no them either...Possibly fresh from training German Troops...
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    Germans would have to rely on Hungarian and Romanian manpower to strengthen the southern front, as for Moscow+Leningrad the Germans could use the Soviet moral loss of the humiliation at Stalingrad to their advantage. Germans would crush the CCCP!!!
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    The Italians could not defend a city from an army of ants... :lol:
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    Are you dissing ants and Italians in the same sentence? I'm ok with making fun of Italians but ANTS!!!! :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil: :evil:
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    To put German power in perspective:
    1941 steam rolled USSR, but it was not enough in the end. Strong everywhere (north, centre & south)
    1942 cannot launch attacks but only one that came from south to Stalingrad
    1943 can only launch minor local offencive (Kursk) relying in their little "super tanks" to win


    Depends when they "win". If they win right away they will sweep 62nd & 64th armies out of the city. Get to caucasus oil fields just to find them burned to the ground. While soviet main forces (that are still stationed around Moscow, superior in quality & quantity to any southern armies) advance south. Germans would be halted once again at some point and pushed back.


    People tend to think that Stalingrad was the decisive battle and winner would win the war, witch is not really true. If there is one its Battle of Moscow. Stalingrad was a battle after witch Germans have no way in hell a chance of winning (not to say that they have to expect to loose)

    If Germans would win it, 6th army just would die slower.
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    If Germans won it, then they could have launched a new offensive on Moscow after capturing the Caucasus oil fields, which wouldn't all be burned to the ground.
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    WAIT WAIT! I found the answer as to how to win. I did this in Hoi2, but none the less it worked. So I played as Germany, and invested just as much into paratroopers as WW2 Germany and I landed them into Stalingrad before the Russians could seriously garrison it. Then as they tried to take it, as historical, it erupted into a cross-river battle with me winning, and my southern Forces stormed through to the city and relieved the paratroopers. I know that sound impossible in real-life, but it could work...
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    The only (realistic) way for Germans to beat USSR was to capture Moscow and hope Russians wont continue fighting after that.
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    It depends on the conditions of the German troops after their victory...
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    I think the German troops would have to stop to reorganize, but not for long...
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    No, it does not matter if Russians keep fighting. There is too much land to cover, too many men to fight... No. Moscow would be one more city they would hold, nothing more.

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