If they Soviets were the Victors in the Cold War

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  1. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    Russians and other Slavs came out of worse situations than this.
  2. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    By the way Im pretty sure if Soviet union had a leader like Vladimir Putin,Stalin or even Suvorov than they would come out of this situation victorious
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    Uhuh.
  4. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    No.
    Yes, Hawaii, Puerto Rico, Guam, etc. would go independent and maybe we'd lose Alaska, but California to New York is 100% American. There's no national minorities with majorities in certain regions.

    Oh, so someone manipulative like Putin,
    Murderous like Suvorov,
    Or both like Stalin?

    Oh ok then. We kicked their asses so hard they would rather decide their nation's life wasn't worth living. That's pretty successful to me.

    How can you say America didn't win? The world is fucking Capitalist. RUSSIA IS CAPITALIST. The USSR doesn't even exist anymore and Communism is dead and gone.

    America is an economic juggernaut that rules the World.
    Our only real rival is China, whom is strong because they abandoned Communism and are now rabid Capitalists.
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    Still not sure it that's a good thing, though...

    Anyway, America is outgrowing itself. They can't live up to the expectations, and they make themselves look bigger than they are. China has a GNP of $5.700.018.000.000,-, a number that's still growing, with $1.700.000.000.000,- over the last two years. The US has a GNP of $14.600.828.000.000,-, a number that has stayed almost the same. At this rate, China will have overtaken the US before 2022.
  6. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    Ya I mentioned that. They have totally abandoned Communism and become some of the most Capitalist people in the World. I would say no shit they're growing so fast.

    Even then though, it will begin slowing down soon.
  7. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    Hm I like how this guy speaks of manipulation and murder when his nation is doing and has been doing these thing for a while now.
  8. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    And why are you so proud of your nation?

    Your history sucks,your culture is mostly MC Donalds,and USA consists of criminals and immigrants from different countries.
  9. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    Dutch history isn't much more interesting either... We're an unimportant Germanic tribe during Roman times... Then were part or property of a bunch of other countries in the middle ages. However, we were able to defeat the Spanish in the 16th and 17th century and become slave owners ourselves, but then our role in the world got pretty much overtaken by the British and French... Belgium gained independence from us in the 1830's and from then on we pretty try to keep ourselves outside wars instead of siding with major powers...
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    For a small country like ours, I think our history is pretty interesting.
  11. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    I must agree,most of European countries have interesting history,no matter the size.
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    Because it's completly badass. First we fight and win our independence against the British in the 1700s, establishing the founding base of all Democracy in the Western Hemisphere. Then we cut a bloody path across a continent and oblitherate the Mexicans, taking half their country.

    Then we fight a giant Civil War to end Slavery, further proving the whole freedom thing. I somehow doubt the French of the British would've been willing to take 650,000 casualties to end Slavery if their countries had it.

    Then, that Spanish Empire? We end it and annex the Philipeans.

    Then we go to Europe and kick ass in World War I because Germany wont leave us alone.
    Then we save the world from Fascism in World War II (and yes, the USSR/UK didn't have a prayer without our help).
    Then we save the world from Stalinism in the Cold War.
    And now we rule the whole damn World.

    Fuck ya, America.

    So no, our history doesn't suck. And guess what, your country, no matter what it is, has OUR culture. You've already conformed to us with mild variation. Blue Jeans and Burgers are the International Culture.

    You've got it all wrong. Australia is the one made up of Criminals. Not to mention I'd hardly call the Natives immigrants.
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    Hmm okay lets put it this way:

    1)Joining wars practicaly in the end does not make your country look badass

    2) Soviets destroyed most of the German forces and reached Berlin while you were thinking which side to join

    3)Ruling the world?Im afraid its only a matter of time,everything is starting to change

    4) Natives are Indians who you slaughtered
  14. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    And the part about your culture,many are starting to despise it so it is also a matter of time.
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    We all know Americans are egotistical, hypocritical, annoying, fat, persistent, over-patriotic, borderline-retarded, selfish, obsessive, fear-mongering liars. Everybody knows this except the Americans. I could say a lot about your country, too. Like how you are cancer-obsessed druggies. I could say a lot about every culture on the planet, including my own. Both of you stop being nationalistic pricks.

    I hate the USA the most though
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    Ingvar if you double post again I will bury you
  17. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    See? That's why Europeans hate you (as in the people from the USA).

    You supposedly "kick ass in Wold War I"? That's bullshit. You came in late, won one or two defensive battles while the war has already been finished and you act like you own the world. The USA-army never got to Germany in WWI anyway, so I still doubt if it was a real win.

    Then you act like the USA won WWII on it's own, without any help. That's bullshit too. Without doubt Japan and Germany would have kicked your ass if they would not be so stupid to attack the Soviets. The Netherlands still own their lives because of the Soviet Union, not because of the USA. Come in with proof before you claim controversial shit like that.

    You "save" the world from Stalinism? That's bullshit again (three times the charm, right?). Aside from political view points, how does placing atom bombs in the Netherlands, Belgium, France, England, Scotland, the BRD, Spain, Italy and Turkey save the world? Explain that with your extreme nationalist ideas.

    And now you rule the whole damn world? That's... I'm not going to say it again, this is getting repetitive. China owns the world, more than you do. The USA's power is declining, and for a reason. The US always wants something in return for something, and countries like China don't. But you keep acting like you own the whole fucking world. Newsflash: You don't. Live with it.

    Besides, stop calling your fucking shitho... err... "country" America. It's called the USA, not America, so stop acting like you own two whole continents. I don't call France Europe either.

    I could go on and take down all of your stupid claims, but I won't do it. I'm going to stop myself from wasting my time, and I'm going to leave you with this:
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    Quote: "See how America Valiantly defends itself by bombing small countries"
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    " Any person that doesn't miss Soviet Union back has no heart, anyone who wants it back has no Brain " - Putin
  19. Ingvar Well-Known Member

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    your absolutely right,it is an utopia so there is no point going back to it now.
  20. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Impossible, and not much different either way because the soviets couldn't even call them self communist anymore. The last true communist nation was Albania.

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