North versus South

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  1. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    General Cleburne in the west actually suggested that they manumit all slaves and do mass conscription with that, but he was removed from command.
  2. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Yes and then at the end they did allow slaves into the army. It was like a couple of months before the war ended.
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    There was one black soldier who got the Confederate Medal of Honor, right?
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    African Americans in the CSA (sorry this is a long post)
    A few other lesser known Confederate militia units of free men of color were raised throughout Louisiana at the beginning of the war. These units included: the Baton Rouge Guards under Capt. Henry Favrot, portions of the Pointe Coupee Light Infantry under Capt. Ferdinand Claiborne, and the Augustin Guards and Monet's Guards of Natchitoches under Dr. Jean Burdin. The only official duties ever given to the Natchitoches units were funeral honor guard details.
    One account of an unidentified African American fighting for the Confederacy, from two Southern 1862 newspapers, tells of "a huge negro" fighting under the command of Confederate Major General John C. Breckinridge against the 14th Maine Infantry Regiment in a battle near Baton Rouge, Louisiana, on August 5, 1862. The man was described as being "armed and equipped with knapsack, musket, and uniform", and helping to lead the attack. The man's status of being a freedman or a slave is unknown.
    Several African Americans are known to have participated in some capacity on the Southern side in the Battle of Gettysburg. After the battle of Gettysburg in July 1863, "reported among the rebel prisoners were seven blacks in Confederate uniforms fully armed as soldiers."
    Dr. Lewis Steiner, Chief Inspector of the United States Sanitary Commission while observing Gen. "Stonewall" Jackson's occupation of Frederick, Maryland, in 1862: "Over 3,000 Negroes must be included in this number [Confederate troops]. These were clad in all kinds of uniforms, not only in cast-off or captured United States uniforms, but in coats with Southern buttons, State buttons, etc. These were shabby, but not shabbier or seedier than those worn by white men in the rebel ranks. Most of the Negroes had arms, rifles, muskets, sabers, bowie-knives, dirks, etc.....and were manifestly an integral portion of the Southern Confederate Army."
    Union Brigadier-General D. Stuart observed that "...the enemy, and especially their armed negroes, did dare to rise and fire, and did serious execution upon our men. The casualties in the brigade were 11 killed, 40 wounded, and 4 missing; aggregate, 55...."
    The number of African-Americans, both slave and free, that served in the Confederate Army in a direct combat capacity was minor, and was never official policy. After the war, the State of Tennessee granted Confederate Pensions to nearly 300 African Americans for their service to the Confederacy. Discussions amongst CSA officers on the potential enlistment of slaves is highlighted in the section above.
  5. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I cant fathom the idea of why a slave would want to fight for the Confederacy.
  6. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    I don't know maybe they thought if they showed the South that they were willing to fight that they may get their freedom.
  7. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    At the end of the war that was the reward if they fought. Which made no sense since they got it if they just let the North win too.
  8. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    I don't think so, or, I don't think they believed in that. If you are a slave, you might have no idea the north promises to abandon slaves, if your masters don't tell you. And if you know about it, who says they are going to keep their promise? Your masters certainly won't. They just want to win the war, so they can keep beating the blacks who did not fight for them.
  9. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Many of the slaves did know. And to say that the slaves would not trust the Union is untrue, seeing how as soon as a Union army came marching by in the deep south, many slaves would begin to follow it knowing it meant freedom.
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    Very true because when Sherman marched though Georgia many slaves started following his Army.
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    And if you don't join the southern army, who says you're going to survive until the northern armies come in? That could take years.
  12. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Attempt escape.
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    Timeline 191 is a great article on if the south had won, tough my personal believe was it was far unlikely,
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    Attempt escape, and almost certainly die trying. The easy way out is just put away your pride, and join the army. You'll be surprised how many people would in a situation like that.
  15. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    That's stupid, no they didn't.
  16. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    I love how people always say it was about "states rights"
    OK the states right to have......... slavery
    Other than slavery what was the problem?
    The only big thing that the South and North really disagreed about was Slavery.
  17. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    After reading the confederate constitution, i can conclude the entire war was the right to own slavery (yes you can make the state right argument, but by that if my state declares that you must paint your house pink then the government cant stop them because its the states right >.>) yeah it was about slavery and the economics of slavery.
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    Most of the African Americans who tried to escape succeeded and went to the North.
  19. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    Thats what I mean people can try to say it was about more than slavery but in the end Slavery is what it's all about. The right so have slaves and to make money though the practice of Slavery.
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    It's not as easy as you think. First of all, you need to dump your chain somewhere, then you need to pass the guards, then you need to leave your house, your stuff and your family behind.

    When you've done all that shit, and you've not been discovered, you need to walk to the north. Just keep walking. If someone sees you, they know you've escaped 'cause you're black, so they'll bring you back. Then you need to pass the border between the north and the south a few hundreds of miles later, which is constantly a bloody battle.

    Once you get in the north, you have no money, and you need to find a house. That's when the trouble really begins. Who will give you a job? You're new there, AND you're black. How will you gain shelter?

    You're better of just joining the army.

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