The Westboro Baptist Church

You can think it you just can't say it to anyone.

So a restriction of speech. Tsk, tsk Canada.

So sorta like Stalinist Russia where "you can think whatever you want, just can't say it".

And instead your hiding from it.

And? I'm sure the citizens think a lot of things, but simply because that's what they think doesn't make them correct.

I believe they have a long, complex theory on why Whites are superior. Your free to visit their websites.

No, he's saying they have a right to believe what they want to believe and tell others about it. Your discriminating against racists by gagging them.

Well first off, what if they're right? Simply because you have been fed a spoon-full of tolerence by your society doesn't make it the one true opinion.
Second off, in many cultures women are a lower gender than men. Your forcing other peoples to abide by your beliefs.
Third off, it removes your own moral highground. Your censoring them, how could you possibly say your defending liberty?

Wow. Just wow. (in a good way).

Pedro complimented me...Life is now worth living.

Don't get too ahead of yourself, he didn't like your post!

If I ever saw them protesting I'd follow them around naked smoking a cigar . They bring their children to hold the god hates fags signs.

I think I've expressed myself wrongly. You're not allowed to say that you don't like somebody because he is black, you're not allowed to say that homosexual people should not go to school. You cannot use gender, race or sexuality etc as a reasoning in an argument unless it's highly relevant such as "We cannot have x working in an ambulance because he is paralysed from his legs down. This is all discrimination, and is never allowed in Sweden.

That I doubt very highly, but if this is true then by God I fear for Sweden's future.

Well of course it is... That's what we've been debating the whole time...

Well I know they're not right, and it has been proven by science and facts...
Defending liberty is not my main objective in this world(that's your job) I think it is our duty to protect the minority and the majority(but that's not really an issue most of the time) from persecution and that always starts with hate speech.

Well at least you're up front about it. Doesn't make it any less dystopian and horrible, though.

Well of course it's important. Why would it be "dystopian and horrible." People can't say they hate fags. Is that really so horrible and why?
Btw. Sweden has had that legislation since WW2(I think) and was one of the first countries to stop censorship...

Of course it's horrible. It's one of, if not the, most horrible thing a government can do. No one has the right to prevent anyone else from speaking their mind, no matter how 'offensive,' unpopular, or 'invalid' they think it is. To think that they do, for whatever reason, is a complete affront to the most basic liberty we possess, expression. You don't get to decide what people can say or think, and if you think you do then you're no better than the worst dystopia.

Jesus... Okay, first of all if Hitler had risen to power in the US I think you would look at it a little differently...
We as a society decides what is allowed. You don't have the right of free speech, it's something that has been granted to you.
I don't see how hate speech can in any way benefit the society, and thus I can't see why it should be allowed. Hate speech can hurt people, if indirectly.

The value of an ideal isn't going to change because of a bad experience. That argument is just so juvenile; what is good is good and no amount of protest can change that. Freedom of expression is both a fundamental human right and a natural good. If you want to argue against that, argue that it's not good or not a right, don't pull this slippery slope nonsense.

When it comes to expression, society doesn't have that right. No amount of incidental utilitarian good (in and of itself this doesn't exist) can justify denying people the most basic liberty that exists.

By virtue of being born you are granted certain inalienable rights. They stem from the fact that you're an intelligence, a mind, and an agent. No greater crime exists against intelligence, the mind, or agency than to deny expression.

The way you look at the issue is just so warped. Speech is inherently valuable. Its existence doesn't need justification. Taking it away is what requires justification, not that anything actually can justify it.

First off, it can't. Speech is incapable of causing immediate harm to your life, liberty, or property. Threats and incitement are separate issues, obviously, because they're expressing an intent for either the speaker or the audience to commit immediate lawless action. Defamation is also capable of causing harm, but must be both false and established in court as doing so.

But that's not what the discussion is about. You're advocating the criminalization of a viewpoint. As much as you might hide behind a banner of progress or egalitarianism, the fact remains that you're telling people that it's not okay to voice their opinions. Nothing is more reactionary and inequitable than that.

As far as I know, you have the right to say that "I think race/gender/sexuality discrimination is fine" and start a party for it or whatever. Then perhaps if you have the support, you'll get your ideas through and there you go, you can now be a racist etc. Untill then you're not allowed to discriminate, neither in media or in your privacy.

I seriously cannot believe that you support this BS. It's so utterly draconian, so completely dystopian; I mean you might as well be quoting Orwell here. Fuck.

Do you really think one should be allowed to discriminate anyone because of race/gender/sexuality?

Of course. You should be allowed to express whatever opinion you want, no holds barred. It's ludicrous to think otherwise.