Tibetan sovereignty and independence from China.

Slavery is something that no matter if your Communist, Capitalist, Liberal, or Conservative we can all agree any sensible human being and government with even the most basic contemplation of human rights is against it in all forms.

You're proving what I said, the western world will not care for anything that is not their own or of any envy to them. Thank you.

You're still not making sense. Like at all.

I agree completely.

That is because of your inability to understand and come past your arrogence to see an opposing view.

Tibet should be free, and there is no reason for it to be under occupation, this occupation seems unjust. The Chinese had said it had belonged to them, and proceeded to invade them, which is not right. Meanwhile, the United States and the U.N are doing the bare minimum of helping them.

No one cares about Tibet because it's better off under China. Like I said before, slavery is the worst possible thing to befall anyone, even worse than death in my opinion. I would support a free Tibet if it was a democratic republic with no ties to its theocratic past governments, especially the Dalai Llama. Until then, it is better off with China.

Then you shall do the same thing that China has done with it, cultural extermination

Where in the hell did you get that from my post?

So you would have China,who is the biggest abusers of civil and human rights and continues to do so, rule over Tibet. Tibet had the potential to have more civil and human rights, but then it got conquered by China. If Tibet becomes free, it would no doubt abolish slavery and give more civil and human rights because of China's rule over them. I don't know about the Dalai Lama, he could be an important figure for the country, but he shouldn't rule over it.

I advise that you either:
A): Relax, stop posting useless banter that is off topic.
or B): Get out of this discussion, you are destroying this thread.

Tibet is not better off under anybody, nor is the United States' economy.

Your right, clearly a brutal autocracy is far worse than a pious and spiritual government.

Neither is desirable. Theocracy is bad shit, no matter how you cut it.

Why do you think it has potential? It never showed any indication prior to being conquered that it would reform in any way. When it was conquered, Tibet was a theocracy under the Dalai Llama and he ruled the country along with the church. I agree that he shouldn't rule over it, and I would in fact support a free Tibet that was a democratic republic.

Right well I'm just going to start ignoring your posts since you refuse to make sense.

Tibet wasn't pious, it supported slavery.

Tibet wasn't pious, it supported slavery.[/quote]

So does China you twit, and so did alot of other nations during the 1950s. Also the international attention to slavery in tibet would have forced it to stop; which it was starting to be abolished before the Chinese came in and do what the Han Chinese do best.

Give me an example of someone being the property of another in China.

http://gvnet.com/humantrafficking/China.htm
http://www.asianews.it/news-en/Mode...alive-as-police-looks-the-other-way-9569.html
http://www.nysun.com/arts/modern-slavery-in-rural-china/72646/
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=95eitLGI1V8 (Oh the things you can find with YouTube, if the Chinese government doesn't block everything first and then deny it)
http://www.time.com/time/world/article/0,8599,1635144,00.html
http://archive.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2005/11/3/113617.shtml
http://ihscslnews.org/view_article.php?id=57
http://povertynewsblog.blogspot.com/2011/01/modern-slavery-in-china.html

And because a picture is worth a thousand words, I have two

Tibet is in no way better off under China. That is like saying if Britain had conquered America prior to the Civil War, that America would be better under British rule because they had slavery. Seriously. China is DESTROYING THEIR CULTURE. How would you like it to have your entire culture destroyed? When monks are setting themselves on fire you know its getting pretty bad.

It's not just culture thats being destroyed, its the fact that the Han Chinese have been illegal using Tibet works, give them no rights to elect there own people, have a brutal regime in the cities, and reject all forms of Buddhism in the country, as well as do not teach the Tibet language.

I read or skimmed all of the articles and many of them explicitly say that the authorities are cracking down on the human trafficking and illegal child labor. One of the articles was a movie review... That confused me. I refuse to watch anything made by Russia Today so I have nothing to say about that. I never said that slavery didn't exist in China, and if I did I probably misspoke. I'm saying that slavery isn't legal in China, like it was in Tibet. Authorities are trying to fix the problem, not well mind you but they're trying.

They are trying to fix the problem they themselves are creating in order to cause a market revenue of cheap labor to sell at a cheap price to us and European traders, then bust into the shops "arrest" the owners and free the workers all in an outlook to seem democratic to the world and thus get more regnozitian by the forighn powers as a democratic and fair state, then they will go around and replace the child in other poor social and working conditions and make the slaves do the exact same thing as to which they we're doing, repeating the same process over and over.

Mind you pretty much every diamond, chocolate, and or Chinese product you see was made by unfair slave labor.

Russia Today is a news source and still must be watched in order to base a view, i might no like fox news but i still watch theme in order to make sure I have a full understanding of a situation.

Next Tibet was already going to adopt the article 4 section of the united nations Universal rights, which states no slaves. Not to mention Tibet is one of the first countries to not have capital punishment.

Like I said, Tibet was already making its way to have civil and human rights LIKE EVERY OTHER COUNTRY BEFORE IT!