Noam Chomsky - Propaganda, American style

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  1. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    No, it isn't unfair, but it does not guarantee you that you can get rich if you try hard enough. It'd be naive to think that.

    Was I saying that Bill Gates does it? God, nobody knows who does, because the parties don't have to adres it to the people. And a politician can only have a good campaign with money. The rich obviously want a politician which helps their company.

    Also, the two party system does not work, because you can only choose between two parties.

    No. That's not what I said. Read this, or this.

    You are messing up all of my words. I didn't say it'd be faster without the US. I said we would be saved without. Why do you keep distorting my words?

    Also, please stop calling the United States 'AMERICA!'. You don't own two continents.

    Scorched earth. When Hitler invaded the CCCP, he thought he'd be done in a few months. His men wore summer clothing. Reality was different, because everything they invaded contained nothing for them to use. The winter was falling in, and Hitler didn't stand a chance. READ STUFF BEFORE YOU POST!

    Well, explain what this poster is supposed to say:
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    Or this video:


    Wikipedia says so:
    "The second prong of the American approach to containment has been to maintain strict entry controls to the country for people with HIV or AIDS. Under legislation enacted by the United States Congress in 1993, patients found importing anti-HIV medication into the country were arrested and placed on flights back to their country of origin."
    For my (homosexual) arts teacher this meant he and his friends couldn't get into the US because they wore a shirt saying: "I'm gay".

    Partially, but mostly the CCCP.
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    The system we have over here sucks as well. Seriously, who the fuck takes those PvdD nutjobs seriously? Also, there was a movement to start a pedophile party.
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    ...and that's why the Party for the Animals only has two seats. The Pedophile Party wouldn't even get through the elections. And that is why it does work. And the American two party system, as mentioned by Earl, gives an inhabitant of Wyoming a political voice, 74 times bigger than one of a Californian.
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    I'm pretty sure that's not because they have only two parties, it's because votes are counted by state instead of by the entire country.
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    Right, my bad. But my complains against the two party system, is that you don't have much choice at all.
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    Yeah, I guess that's true, there's not much choice. But look at the formation of the Dutch formation of the government. The parties stuggled to get a majority, and I do think small, insignificant parties were in the way of that process by taking up even small amounts of votes. I'm probably wrong though, politics hardly interest me.
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    The bad thing is, now that we have an effective government, it and all of it's ideas suck.
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    Well, while I haven't looked through all ideas our governments have come up with the last few decades, but really, overall politicians come up with bat shit insane ideas. Increasingly so when our big friend Wilders decided to get his oh so nice haircut. Speaking of which, I found a video the other day which had Bill O' Reilly interviewing him...I should watch that again some time, it should be fun, fun, fun!
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    Wow, that'd be just as bad as Pat Condell interviewing Geert Wilders! But the opening of this video alone is funny already. "Kjit Wildèrs" "Dhay ar bick fet kouwarts."

    Did you know that Geert Wilders actually studied in Israel? I guess that explains some of his Islammophobia. (Not that I think Matt is a racist...)

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    I seriously almost thought Bill O' Reilly was going to say "...that says flat-out the Quran incites violence. Well, that hypothesis itself is true", but I guess I got my hopes up way too high...

    I think his Islamophobia is caused by him not personally knowing a single muslim.
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    Them Billy ain't a Northern guy, ya know? Them Billy is a Southern guy with all of them heart and them soul. Ya know there ain't much o' them muslim-people down there, did-ain't ya?
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    Ya, you have to be smart when you try hard enough. You can't just fling yourself out there and expect to come out every time.
    So it's fabled donators who give politicians millions? They don't. No one does. Again, Special Interest Groups, Unions, and a few corporations.
    People do it all the time. That's why Politicians GO to fundraisers and such.
    I hope you realize the rich actually have a strong liberal tendency, ie. Anti-Corporate.

    War-bonds posters are hardly propagandic so much as asking for a loan for a "good" reason. And yes, it is what you said.
    Warner and Disney cartoon are both made by corporations.

    You quite literally said the Soviets were going to be able to push back the USSR eventually. In other words, they were just a few years away from defeating Germany's eastern front.
    I haven't distorted anything.
    It's sort of like how the Netherlands and Holland are interchangeable.
    First of all you have no idea what the Hell happened. Hitler was not defeated by Winter 1941. Far from it in fact as he was only slowed down by the time he reached the gates of Moscow/Leningrad themselves. He still made large gains when he wasn't bogged down in major cities.

    Second of all, don't lecture me about things I already know and then tell me I should read about them.

    Now,
    The USSR made any attempt it could to regain lost ground.
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    This is the map of the USSR's winter offensive against Germany (December 1941 to May 1942). A desperate counter-offensive is hardly in the spirit of a full fledged scorched earth policy. Furthermore, the USSR wasn't slashing and burning. It was taking what it could and running away. That's just retreating constantly.

    They were going to retreat all the way until the Urals until the Nazis made a few terrible mistakes and the Allies stepped in.

    That says, "We would very much like you to buy bonds." and uses a "guilt trip" to get them to buy.
    A privately made video which the government has had no control of.

    No, that prevents people from coming if they have HIV and AIDS. That's not if they're homosexual. Don't believe me? Just fucking read the quote.
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    Seriously kid, understand what you're criticizing before you try to mock something on the basis of that criticism. The 'two party system' doesn't ban third parties. Third parties just aren't popular. At times in our past, they have been. If a third party candidate gets enough support, then they can be elected just the same as a Democrat or Republican. American politics, however, are not motivated by ideology, so third parties don't appeal to many people.

    The party system has nothing to do with our bicameral legislature. The Senate is separate from the House and is a compromise that allows small states to have a more equal stake in Congress. A Californian has the advantage in the House because their population is much larger while people from Wyoming are disadvantaged for the opposite reason.
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    Third Parties aren't even known in the united states that much. It is still very rare to see someone outside of the Republican/Democrat spectrum.
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    They are there though. That is all that matters. How many people actually support them is irrelevant.
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    I would just like to see some others parties get some sort of sway instead of the two party system of the united states, or as most would call it a Bi-Polar system.
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    You can always bring the Whig Party back.
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    Except they aren't.
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    In English, they are. Holland can be used to refer to either the Western territory inside of the Netherlands or to refer to the Netherlands as a whole.

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