Chinese peasants geting uppity

Village Revolts Over Inequities of Chinese Life

China protest in Guangdong's Wukan 'vanishes from web'

Wukan siege: Chinese officials 'hold village to ransom'

Wednesday Roundup: Occupy Rural China

So apparently the good for nothing peasants are getting uppity and demanding that their government stop torturing their elected representatives to death. Well, China, you reap what you fucking sow.

And for comedy's sake, here's a screenshot of Xinhua's (Chinese state news) reaction to this rebellion:

Off topic observation for anyone who cares, those were actually all of the colors (each link) that we were voting on for our mod color.

Good. Only a matter of time until Socialism is brought back to China.
In other words: Suck it, capitalists.

Fucking tricky Kali with his damn riddles and mind games.

You know the Chinese government is going to shoot them all and pretend nothing happened. This isn't Oakland, where the worst thing is an random pepper spray from some idiot cop.

I watched pretty much the whole oakland protest, live. It wasn't one idiot cop. In fact, a Marine vet who served 2 tours of duty has been made a vegetable.

A link to that story if you will, but is that the one who got hit in the face by a gas canister?

OT, China always treats its lowest classes like shit and then they revolt. It has happened throughout their history.

You're right, it has happened a lot throughout their history. You'd think they'd learn.

I can do better.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9lbbWAgBy7E&skipcontrinter=1

There are a couple of people throwing the tear gas back. That is because the Police illegally attacked using chemical agents/rubber bullets, without any warning. Prior to this, the protestors did not do anything Illegal. I'll see if I can find you the video of the Police firing tear gas at the people trying to rescue him.

Also, this -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zD1pjU-RT5g

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WmJmmnMkuEM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UydTj2AHtQg&feature=related

Send them to the gallows and if any are still alive send them back to the ghetto.

While i respect the wishes off the chineese people to not be tortured and not be killed and to get their deserved basic human rights. Now is not the time to revolt, the regime is not weak and at the hight of it's power, every anti gov. action will without a doubt be gunned down. And i am not a bleliever of "freedom is worth any price of blood". Sure freedom is worth a lot but if the price is too high and defeat is certain it is wasted blood. Also largescale protest against the almighty party would throw them back decades and freedom will be even further away. The people of china need to wait a little longer and dispose the government when it is in crisis.

First off, don't discuss Occupy nonsense. That has nothing to do with the topic at hand.

Second, a lot of you seem to be underestimating the significance of this event. This is the first time there's been an armed rebellion throughout the entire history of the PRC. It's a pretty big deal, even if the village isn't particularly large.

Third, aqua colors are the master race colors and all who think otherwise are sad human beings.

The revolt is happening precisely because the government appropriated the private property of individuals without due compensation. People are pissed because their property is being stolen by their government (and also because their government is a totalitarian nightmare). Now, since this is the real world and not a fantasy funtime land where communist revolutions end in GLORIOUS UTOPIA, it's fair to say that this is a rebellion against collectivism and authoritarianism (the two biggest tenets of actual communist nations).

Life is by no means the most valuable thing we possess. The ideals of freedom and democracy are considerably more valuable than life. To these villagers, simply having the ability to get some kind of response and interaction with their government is more valuable than life. I think it's fairly clear that they knew what they were getting in to, and to do anything less than support them wholeheartedly would be a tragedy. We very well could be looking at the next Tiananmen Square here, but with as many eyes on this incident as there are, and with the improved availability of information in China, it could turn out much larger than even that. As people of the so-called "Free World" I think we owe it to the Chinese to stand up for the ideals that we claim to uphold when such massive opposition is levied against them.

I don't understand how deposing the one-party draconian rule of the CCP will throw China back decades or put freedom in jeopardy. I can see how letting their crushing authoritarianism go unchecked would do both of those things, however.

OH BOY! MORE LAND RIOTS! HOW INTERESTING!
Please. Land riots are as old as China is. Even before the CPC and the Nationalists and the Qing and the Ming and the Yuan... and the U.S.
Nothing has changed.

And these articles prove nothing.
I myself have cited several articles that came prior to these ones in my posts on this forums over land riots.
Some of them ended badly, as these did. Some of them actually got settlements.

This is not some simple riot. This is a village of 20,000 that's kicked out all of the CCP officials and taken up arms, set up roadblocks, and had their chosen representative tortured to death. Don't dismiss either the severity of the situation or the justness of their cause because you have an irrational pride in the Chinese nation.

1. Pride in the CHINESE NATION. Not necessarily CPC China. Who is in charge makes less difference to me than you make it out to be. As long as it is CHINESE, I couldn't really care less.
2. They are in a state of open rebellion then. That constitutes a negotiation [which may or may not work], and the restoring of the peace.
Peaceful? Probably not.
Preferably peaceful? Of course.

The Chinese government, of course, needs to step lively. As incompetant as you portray them to be, they are perfectly capible of peaceful negotiation. This could, in fact, be a chance for them to demonstrate that.

Still irrational.

Now you're just being racist. And just read your own words. It's impossible not to see how completely and utterly irrational they are.

The negotiation phase seems to have already been concluded with the execution by torture of the representative of Wukan.

Are you or are you not in support of this village and their cause?

They've demonstrated their capacity for extreme violence in spades already, when they tortured a man to death for trying to represent the people of this village. If they actually tried to resolve the situation without violence, then it would be only because the eyes of the world are upon them. And in that case, it's absolutely worth it for us to make a scene about this, and makes it all the more necessary that we stand in support of these people.

Apparently these things happen quite regularly (although maybe not on this scale) in China, you just dont hear about them.

Also its quite foolish to compare this to occupy, occupy activists were indeed treated rough but it does not compare to the repression faced in China.

Capitalists never had any qualms with violating private property, for example one of the major factors in the rise of industrial capitalism in england was the process of enclosure where the state took possession of common land in the countryside and sold it to capitalists. Which then lead to the running out of business of farmers forcing them out of their farms, giving the capitalists an ample supply of wage laborers to work on their large scale farms and factories.

In fact you didnt mention the reason why the Chinese state took over the land of these people, they did it so they could sell the land to major estate developers. Actually I'd say this process has more in common with the capitalist enclosure movement (which is only one example of these sorts of processes which was and is repeated all over the world), then with what you call "communist" processes of nationalisation.

Good, maybe a revolution will wipe out their industrial base and we can finally get back to the glorious US of A's dominance.

The thing is that the Chinese government owns or has a significant stake in these industries. It has far more in common with Soviet-style collectivism than 19th century robber barony.

EDIT: And it's annoying to see how many of you are quick to get on the realpolitik bandwagon whenever the "bad guy" isn't America.

So? There are still things such as state capitalism. I mean the entire process of German industrialisation was largely based on monpoly capitalism instituted and mantained through the state.

ps: how is the enclosure movement robber barony (honestly I dont really get the concept very well).