Chinese peasants geting uppity

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Kalalification, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    You have no idea.

    But yes, fuck the CCP.
  2. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    I fully support a socialist uprising in China.
  3. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Some people argue the uprising in China is the people wanting more Maoism and less capitalism, others argue the opposite. I argue that no matter what the Chinese government will kill the protesters and then act like nothing happened.
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  4. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    Kali, China is the most capitalist nation on earth. The only way to go from here is back to Socialism. Anyway, I'm not arguing with you on this one.
  5. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Cough Somalia is cough.
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  6. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    Source: http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-china-16195113

    Yeah, I'm pretty sure it is a socialist revolt.
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    Warlords fighting over control of Somalia =/= Capitalism
  8. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    On the other hand, there is no evil government getting in the way
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  9. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Is it racist to be proud of what you are? Its not like I am saying that other races are inferior.
    True. But that does not mean that the Chinese government should not still seek to negotiate, even with what they did.
    I cannot support nor condemn their land claim, as I do not know enough about the situation surrounding that. I support their negotiation with the Chinese government and their seeking of a peaceful outcome. I condemn the actions of the Chinese government insofar as killing the negotiator. BUT I also condemn the armed uprising that the village has undertaken. HOWEVER, I can understand and appreciate WHY they did uprise. I would probably condemn if the Chinese government committed a violent putdown of the uprising. BUT, if it started to spread or attack other, surrounding communities, I would support the Chinese government in preventing the total overturn of the COUNTRY.
    Again, I condemn their killing of the man. However, the 'you are already in ****, so may as well go all the way' idea does not fly with me. They should do what they can, within reason, to rectify the situation. One mistake, even one as massive as the one that they have done, should not constitute a reason to commit another in anybody's mind.
    This is something that I have been meaning the address for some time:
    IF YOU DO NOT BELIEVE A GOVERNMENT TO BE CAPIBLE OF GOOD ACTS, WHY SHOULD THEY TRY?!
    It is a circular logic that only makes you hate them. It closes your mind. It is like the idea that a criminal cannot redeem himself of past wrongs. If you don't believe that anything he does in is good intent, then why should he try to do good?
    I'm not saying that the CPC should not try, but rather that no matter what they do, your mind is fixed.
    Mmm... I think that part of that is that people know more about the U.S. to critisize than other countries.
    I've made the "mistake" on this forums of not outright attacking China, but that does not mean that I do not condemn things that the government does.
    Mmm... yeah. That is why we all don't know about the land riots that happen every year and probably have happened every year that Chinese civilization has existed. That is why we are discussing this.

    On the matter of political oppositition to the CPC: Plenty of that... has gone nowhere. I'm not saying that you shouldn't, just that you need to unite people behind the idea more. Apparently alot of people have their own problems to deal with.
    On the matter of economics and the CPC: Boycotting Chinese goods is not exactly the most popular idea. True, Chinese labor is leveling out and the price is rising due to there now being more factory jobs in China than people to do the job, but they still provide the goods at a lower price with reletive quality and ethics.

    Like I said before, who is in charge is not of the greatest concern to me. If the cause to overthrow the CPC and establish a new government is supported by the majority of the Chinese people, I would support that. My concern is the well-being of the Chinese people. In spite of all that the government has done, there seems that on the whole, the CPC continues to benefit the people enough to remain in power. There IS a benefit factor in whether a government can maintain power. When a government loses that, they lose the country.
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    Now I'll get to responding to the rest of your post in a while, but this part is just unbelievable.
    This is exactly what all closet racists say. Race is nothing to be proud of.
  11. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    Difference of opinion then. And I have no earthly idea what a 'closet racist' is.
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    It's pretty simple: a racist who doesn't want other people to think they're a racist. "Racial pride" is the calling card of any closet racist.
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  13. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    I Believe my race is better then the rest, however i am not a racist.
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    Seriously doubt it, the government still maintains a significant amount of economic control (e.g. government owns all the banks)
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    a) is the importance of a country on the world stage determinant on how much we should care about the atrocities they commit? By this logic the rwandan genocide can safely be ignored because of the unimportance of that country.

    b) There are alot of other economically important repressive regimes.

    State control of the economy has little to do whether a country is capitalist or not, I already mentioned the example of German industrialisation that was fueled by monopoly capitalism put into place by the German governement.
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    Imperial, this is obvious sarcasm with the intention of mocking your statements; why on earth would you like it?
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    If that is truly the case, then any racial pride anyone has, is racist. I have pride in being who I am as a Caucasian, does that make me a racist? When a racial group decides to take pride in the fact that they have achieved something, does that make them racist?

    It's only racism if they think that because of their pride, every other race is somehow lesser than theirs, and then they begin to start stating that, and acting in such a way that their opinion becomes obvious.
    Of course, it is possible to argue that someone can be racist and quiet about it, similarly to closet homosexuality, but I sincerely doubt that Imperial is a racist.
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    To address the topic, the representative getting shot doesn't necessarily mean that the Chinese government is going to start killing every civilian that tries to negotiate with them. It wouldn't be practical to start shooting everyone who disagrees with them.

    For now, my opinion on the actions of the government will have to wait until it is discovered how the Chinese government will deal with the developing situation.

    I do support negotiations between the two groups, and I agree with this:
    There isn't enough information about the situation to start condemn or condone either side for actions not yet taken. And the government should still seek negotiations. It is unlikely they will take to slaughtering a whole village or community. Even they have boundaries.
  18. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Have you completely forgotten about the Tienanmen Square Massacre?
  19. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Tienanmen square Massacre never happened, a Massacre happened over in Beijing but no at Tienanmen square.

    Also: Omg Stalin has two new people he has to follow.
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  20. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Are you shitting me? You actually believe that shit was a fake?

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