Socialists and the fetish of welfare states.

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Lenin Cat, Dec 15, 2011.

  1. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    We do spend 6th most on military in Europe as of GDP which would be 1.6% Reason why I do not like military spending is simply that we do not even need it.

    Oh and Japan & Switzerland are the best in healthcare (2010)
  2. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Mutualism.
  3. Warburg Well-Known Member

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    Well basically the same. Found a little for you:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Education_in_Denmark
    If you're wondering I'm in the Gymnasium now:
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gymnasium_(Denmark)
  4. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    It does effectively remove 99% of its power.

    The reality is we are all slaves to the system of capitalism, statism, patriarchy, and more.

    Who is oppressed in Denmark? The same people who are oppressed world-wide. The working class, women, transgenders, the youth, ethnic minority's, etc. Oh, and dont forget the simple citizen in general.

    What patriarchy? The world-wide culture of male dominance in society and relationships, the continuation of the nuclear family, the commercialization of the women body, the embracment of gender roles and separate clothing for the genders...

    Why is the state bad? It protects private property and the rich, as well as enforces its rule upon you with violence without consent from all people under it.

    @pottman, Anarchy.
  5. pottman Well-Known Member

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    I wasn't asking you.
  6. D3adtrap www.twitter.com/d3adtrap | Mr. Choc: Coco Fruits

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    Its different, but at its core its quite similiar. Hope you enjoy your money, bastard.
  7. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    Funny because you placed in Public domain.
  8. pottman Well-Known Member

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    A little more detail, please? One word isn't enough.
  9. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    The abolishment of all unjust hierarchy.
  10. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    So, even though they have high wages, good worker's benefits, and good healthcare, they are so oppressed that there should be a revolt. Looks like someone is just mad that a non Marxist society figured it out.
  11. pottman Well-Known Member

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    How are you going to do that?
  12. Lenin Cat Well-Known Member

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    Not sure, for now syndicalism looks like a good tactic.
    @Leontrotsky still exploited out of there surplus labor and coerced into working.
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    Not in a country where it's restricted by legislation...

    Really? I don't feel like a slave... Are you sure you got the definition right?
    You do know that our working class gets: High wages, high unemployment benefits, unions to protect their rights, votes, free healthcare, public pensions, long vacations etc.
    Our "president" is a woman... 40% of our representatives are women. 60% of our "college" students are women.
    The rest is just ridiculous... You can marry whoever you want, and we have legislation in place to prevent hate speech. And who the hell oppresses the youth?!
    Are you a feminist?
    Preventing more countries from getting nuclear weapons is benefitting the world.
    You do know that you can also get a man-prostitute right?
    So you would have us all wear grey jogging sets...?
    It protects everybody(if it's a good one) and enforces nothing upon you with violence(if it's a good one)
    You can never get the consent of everybody. That's exactly why most forms of Anarchism could never work.

    Was this to me?!:p
  14. joske Well-Known Member

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    All those things can and are taken away from the people whenever it is deemed possible, not to mention these and more benefits could be achieved without capitalism.



    Taxes are forced upon you by violence, why couldnt anarchism when there are disputes?
  15. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    SO you plan to get get elected, suspend the constitution and destroy capitalism. Or perhaps you going to start a terrorist movement destroying factories, recruiting workers, hanging the capitalists, ect.
    Nope, they willing give up their surplus labor in exchange for a wage.
    They can always choose to not work, nobody is coercing anybody.
  16. Warburg Well-Known Member

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    No it can be taken away if the people want it/find it necessary. That's how a democracy works...

    I'm not getting attacked physically if I don't pay my taxes... Why would you think that?
    The last part of the sentence doesn't make sense.(I really can't figure out the meaning)
  17. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    You have to pay your taxes or are faced with a consequence be it a fine or jail time.
  18. Warburg Well-Known Member

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    You can just go out and live in the woods and not pay any taxes if that's what you want....
  19. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    I like how you latched about 5 or 6 other social issue to in an attempt to throw more shit at the wall so that something will stick. Capitalism has nothing to do with the treatment of transgenders, women, minorities, youth, etc.
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  20. joske Well-Known Member

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    Except we dont literarly live in a democracy (coming from the combination of two greek words meaning something like the rule of the people, as in the entire people), in our current system the entire political discourse we get to choose between is outside of the hands of the people and thus they dont literarly rule, they can just choose between who they want to rule, in the best case they have the same power that consumers of cars have on the design of cars: a passive one.

    Also many of these austerity measures are pulled through by financial blackmail by institutions outside of "democratic" control, by threatening with sanctions if they dont cut social security.


    Well except in the case when you are a homeless person, you are forced to pay taxes.

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