Chinese peasants geting uppity

Anyone who disagreed with kali in this thread is living in lala land with the unicorns and giant mushroom houses. I didn't even think there was something to argue, why is there no relevant input and instead just bitching and moaning ?

Anyway there isn't really many choices for the chinese government right now in my mind. Regardless of if they want to make everyone in the nation happy, well fed and on living on their ancestral land or not they are fucked if they don't continue to expand economically. Signs of corruption in their government is evident.

I don't fully understand why they killed the representitive, there's no justification. Taking moral's out of the picture what did they gain by murdering him in such a brutal manner? A revolt? While the government is in a bad place their incompetence is astounding.

Taking morals out of the situation, what would be the most beneficial course of action for the chinese government at this time? I'm uncertain, but I don't think soldiers are the answer here.

Living on their ancestral land. I can call bullshit because they are "forcing" chinese people to live in Tibet and Mongolia. It's not that they want people to live on their ancestral land, it's that they want more land in general.

Sorry if I made it seem like I thought they really wanted that , it was a suggestion , brainstorming.

The Chinese government encourages "Chinese" people to move to Tibet or Xinjiang... Cultural imperialism!
However they're allowed to teach Tibetan and Uygur children their language at schools because they're one of the 56 officially recognized ethnic minorities... And it hasn't always been that way...

This is true as far as I know.
The Chinese government has been known, but not confirmed, to 'encourage' the settlement of areas just beyond the borders. This will, in theory, allow the Chinese government to lay claim to terrictory later on. Apparently, the Russians are acutely aware of this and for that reason, they disallow Chinese settlement of places like Siberia, etc.
Tibet is much the same, yes. The Chinese government allegedly provided economic help to Chinese [mostly Han of course] families to settle in places like Tibet and the same areas as the Uygur. This makes them loyal to the Chinese government and ensures that the control of the area is based on 'the majority', since 'the majority' is ligitimately loyal to the Chinese government and China. The only way to get 'the majority' to agree with independence is to oust the majority of the population of Tibet.

To Imperial,

Well the Russians need to do a better Job of disallow Chinese Settlements of Siberia because do you know how many Ethnic Chinese live and work in Siberia?

LOL. That is the Russians' problem, isn't it? Their terrictory is so large that tracking Chinese movement is nearly impossible.

Still there is quite alot of ethnic clashes between the two in the region, and the Russians are worried that eventually the Chinese will claim that area as there own. Would be an Interesting war to see between Russia and China.

And China and even North Korea build alot of Prison systems up there as well, isolated so not that many people report on theme.

Some cultures, like Chinese and Russian, for better or worse, are more prone to assimilating other cultures. Chinese culture even has its own word for it - Sinofication. When two or more of them clash, it is usually a pretty big conflict.

LOL. And like I said, it is probably a ligitimate concern.

There, of course, would be no clear winner at first [barring a nuclear war, though I find that possibility unlikely], but the Chinese would win eventually by means of sheer numbers. The Russians would lose the already loose grip that they have on that side of their country.

Makes sense to me. Looking at it from the Chinese perspective of course.
If not for the question-ability of Chinese imprisonment, I would just say "Hey, you don't put a prison next to heavily populated areas do you? Its an eyesore."

When it comes to Assimilating the Chinese are an example of people who Assimilate like crazy and the Russians are an example of people with reject any sort of Assimilating, So it will be interesting to see what happens or what Ethnic clashes it will bring. Heck Most Russians I talk to Hate Chinese people "Chink bastards as they say"

With Siberia Great resources even more so.

The Chinese would win, though I'm not sure there economy could contain that big a war, people like to claim that China is the next world superpower im not so sure, however China does not need to Invade Russia anytime soon giving to the fact that Russia is dying litterly, its going to go through one last serge of economical and military strength and then it will die (Horrible population rate being the main cause) alot of epics are placing the future Russian collapse as worse then when the Soviet Union fell apart.

Damn Gulags everywhere http://www.cnn.com/2011/12/15/world/asia/north-korean-labor-camps-in-siberia/index.html

I think it's fairly obvious that US and NATO aren't just going to sit around and twiddle their thumbs in that scenario. Tom Clancy wrote a book based almost exactly on that premise (the one you called racist for no reason, if I recall correctly).

And I like how you just accept the fact that you're unabashedly racist at this point.

The book your looking for is the "Bear and the Dragon" In his book the united states backs Russia
However I do belive that Noam Chomsky (Or someone like Noam) Did a Thesis paper on a Russian/Chinese war and Argued that the united states would back up China.

I don't talk to alot of Russians, but I have a good associate who is Russian. That is... he is half Russian, half Greek.

Of course. As it stands, the Russians cannot adequately hold onto them and use them. So China will be obliged to... take it off their hands... lol.
China and Russia are not as buddy-buddy as some people think. They are locked in a terrictory dispute.

What do you mean by that?

A world superpower, but, much to my dismay, I don't see the U.S. falling from grace, but rather China climbing to its level. It will certainly be an interesting time to live in.

Invade? Of course not. They will simply enjoy the fruits of a country in decline.

Yep.

1. Tom Clancy does not speak for the U.S. And niether do you.
2. I thought you never read the book?
3. Difference of opinion. I asked some of my associates whether it was racist to be proud of your ethnic heretige. Some answered yay and others answered nay.

Oh the irony. How many times in this topic alone have you claimed to speak for the 'Chinese perspective' or some similar nonsense?

I ended up getting it a while ago.

Of course it's a difference of opinion. You don't want to admit to being a racist, but you very clearly are. Being proud of your skin color (or 'ethnic heritage' for that matter) is completely irrational, and people who are don't want to own up to that fact. But there's simply no denying that it is indeed racist, because you're discriminating on the basis of race.

Ah Someone must be an Orthodox then?

Russia can only hold theme for a while, however it all depends on whos economy collapses first China or Russia, My money is on Russia though China will not be the Economic growth we see right now

The Russians the Chinese have never been friends since the Sino-Soviet Split, heck they can't even get a gas deal going. My money is on China winning out over Russia in the long run but not by much.

The Chinese Economy is not a very stable economy, a war of that size could throw of its balance, next the Majority of Chinese weapons are either From Russia or Cheap Russian Knock offs, so Russia has China beat in the Weapons and Resources Compartment, though in population Russia is litterly FUCKED.

I don't see China Climbing to its level at all (I will post a video about that at the bottom)

I would never rule out the Plausibility, however I think if China is going to invade its not going to be just about the mineral resources but the areas Land and Agricultural development.

People always seem to forget about the fact that China has no allies and no power projection. It's surrounded by US allies and any country that isn't an overt US ally is considerably more pro-US than pro-China. Probably because no one likes China or wants to be their 'friend' because they know what happens to the 'friends' of China.

And how many times have I sought to rewrite/clarify that that was based on what I know?
And by your definition, everything said is automatically considered to be an opinion, so it doesn't matter in the end.

Then either you didn't finish it or are blind.

You just contradicted yourself.

I donno. I don't think that it ever came up. But I think he said that he was...

China allies consist of North Korea (Big deal), hell Vietnam is more then willing to take our side then China any day, if it wasn't for the Chinese Economy growing at least a little bit (which is only because of the Current world wide recession and Eurozone crises) but even still the Chinese Economy did pretty bad this year, when compared to what was expected. I do not know when The Chinese Economy will peak and then collapse but When it does, I will laugh at the people who thought the wal-mart of the world is the next Global economy.

Yeah Pretty much Geopolitics and everything else is against China.

The US would not sit idly by in a Chinese-Russia war.

Though they would plan what they did carefully.