Situation in Strait of Hormuz coming to a boil

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  1. matthewchris Guest

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    Canada has been involved in every NATO conflict, I believe, excluding Vietnam and Iraq.
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    There's a bunch of idiocy being thrown around here. Iran's navy would go down before it left port, and if Iran was stupid enough to invade Iraq then they'd be raped at the border. We would be fighting a defensive war against an unstable theocracy. Iran's standing army would be routed in a month or two. Then we send in those damn maple leaf commie bastards and let them do the occupying.

    But no, really, Iran doesn't have the moxy or means to go on any kind of offensive.
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    Those are regarded as peacekeeping operations here. We actually did have a very small force in Vietnam.
  4. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    Thanks for the info. I just thought World War II because I have hered more about Canadas actions in World War II, like
    Dieppe, Sicily, Hong Kong, Hill 234 and D-Day (which you Canadians got the furthest inland on D-Day)
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    It could be possible for the United States to cripple the Iranian army with a major air offensive. However, ground troops would still be necessary. Still, it would be foolhardy to discount the power of the naval forces in what might be an upcoming conflict. The US has 11 aircraft carriers, Iran has none. The US has 75 subs, Iran has 19. The US has 59 destroyers, Iran has 3. The US has 30 frigates, Iran has 5. The US has 2384 naval ships total, while Iran has 261. The US has over 1 million active personnel, Iran only has just over 500,000. As for ground troops, the US has over 56,000 land based weapons (tanks, artillery, etc.), while Iran has just over 12,000. While I can't say I've every experienced a combat situation or even know a spit about military operations, to me the numbers seem to say that Iran's leaders would have to be blind and stupid to start a war, in which it would be likely that not only the US but Israel, another of the most militarily powerful nations on the planet, would join in.
  6. BattalionOfRed Mr. Fred Battaliono

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    Canadian oil fields won't be able to keep up with the current consumption of oil in the U.S as of now, when we do get things set up in more oil fields we will be able to sell more, but we won't sell enough. Also, we may cut how much oil we trade with the U.S based on prices, if price demand isn't achieved between the U.S and Canada, that's fine, they can't use military force. However, in Iran, and especially in Saudi Arabia, they can deploy troops quickly, they have massive operational capabilities and they have a technically legitimate reason to do so.
  7. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    Well for some reason our beach was almost undefended we only sustained 15 loses on Juno beach. Do Americans never learn about what we did in the Netherlands? What about what we did in World War 1?
  8. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    No not really to be honest in my public school education the only time World War II and Canada came up is when we talked about D-Day. The only reason I know this stuff is because I like to study World War I and II history.
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    Well then you have to know about the Netherlands. Our school is almost the same thing we know nothing about the U.S. then Pearl Harbour and the atomic bombs. There is also one sentence: The Halifax was the largest explosion in the world until the Americans dropped the atomic bombs.
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    OK then tell me about what Canada did in the Netherlerlands in World War II.
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    You overestimate both the effectiveness of air operations and the intelligence of Iran's leaders. If America takes action, they will respond accordingly. It's obvious that Iran has no chance, but, as shown on numerous occasion, they don't usually value logic very highly. As for the air operations, sure, it will do considerable damage, but based on the sheer quantity of Iranian troops, the terrain, and the ineffectiveness of the Iraqi army, it still won't be a very difficult campaign for Iran, at least not until NATO get's involved. I just don't see Iran allowing America to blow a few of it's ships out of the water without them taking action.
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    So where all agreed that if it came to war, Iran is fucked and Canada is going to bitch about it.

    Though I think America either needs to go all in with Iran or back off.
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    Well necessarily we liberated the entire nation and to this do Canada and the Netherlands are very close to this day the Netherlands sends us thousands of tulips every year to thank us. We are also very welcomed in the country like when my school went to a town in the Netherlands people painted their houses red and white and it is impossible to pay for anything yourself as they want to buy it for you.
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    Well that's cool fact. I was just reading about it on wikipedia
    In 1945, the people of the Netherlands sent 100,000 hand-picked tulip bulbs as a post-war gift for the role played by Canadian soldiers in the liberation of the Netherlands. These tulips were planted on Parliament Hill and along the Queen Elizabeth Driveway.
    Princess Juliana was so pleased at the prominence given to the gift that in 1946, she decided to send a personal gift of 20,000 tulip bulbs to show her gratitude for the hospitality received in Ottawa. The gift was part of a lifelong bequest. Since then, tulips have proliferated in Ottawa as a symbol of peace, freedom and international friendship. Every year, Canada’s capital receives 10,000 bulbs from the Dutch royal family.
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    I still don't understand why the US gets wrapped in to all these European conflicts.
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    European conflicts? This threads about Iran.
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    Obviously Iran has relocated itself and is now called Germany.
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    It was supposed to be a response to you guys talking about ww 1 and 2
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    Thus like all forums it has split into two

    One side talking about Canada and Netherlands
    the other agreeing that Israel would kick Iran's ass.
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    Yeah, that's simply not true. Iran's army is fully capable of wiping Iraq off the map, and America couldn't get their shit together fast enough to completely stop them from making headway. Sure, Iran won't last long, but it's going to be a much more difficult conflict than America has faced in the Middle East before.

    No one was saying that Iran's navy would last a second though. I'm pretty sure they just have some guys in canoes.

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