Situation in Strait of Hormuz coming to a boil

All I know is that the far superior Iranian military will go right through Iraq and then using its combined magical Allah powers will grant its shitty soviet airplanes the ability to take all of the Arab world and then it will use its million nukes it does not have on Israel because nukes are against Islam. It's quite obiviouse that this would happen.

The Iranians don't want to harm you. The Iranian government wants to harm you. The idea that you would be willing to kill somebody forced into war, perhaps a father with children not much older than yours, and that you would be fine with inflicting that level of suffering upon their family sickens me. It's hypocritical also that you can claim to be innocent of the bloodshed you caused, whilst demonizing Iranian soldiers, and claiming they want to destroy democracy. By your own logic, you are a murderer.

War is hell, but it's something I've already been through. I accept the inevitability of a war with Iran because I must. There's a very real chance of it. I would be a fool not to believe I have to go back. Also, I would enlist, if there was war with Iran, if only for a few reasons.

1. If I go out there, get shot, and die, well, maybe someone who didn't have the privilege of having a wife and kids won't die, and they will live through all the happiness I've had.
2. Why taint another man's life, in place of my own, by forcing another man to kill in my place?
3. I have a small amount of obligation to my country, a large amount to my squad, and a massive amount to my wife, who could very well be serving with me. If anyone I care about goes, I need to go as well, even if we are on opposite sides of the country. At least I will be suffereing the same as them.

Also, I would be by no means excited about killing anyone. I joke, and laugh about it because it's a forum, and I'm not particularly keen on sharing my deep, spiritual, and moral conflicts over killing and death with a whole bunch of people I barely know. Besides, jokes are far better way of coping with the possibility of me biting the bullet than this horrible melodrama your making me play out.

Does that answer your question?

It's amazing how humor goes over your head. Also, watch your mouth, boy. I'm fully aware of my moral standing, and I'm not about to debate it with you.

If a war was to break out, how would it play out?

*And going with Family tradition I must fight in one war in my lifetime, so might as well be against Iran.

Also:
4. Just got kids.

[Not to nit-pick]

What about the person on the other side of the field? The boy, or the father of a disabled child? You would be willing to murder them, to inflict suffering upon their family, and justify yourself by claiming you saved lives?

By doing so, you are not only betraying your humanity, but your family, and your God. Is it not commanded that one should not murder another human being? Oh yeah, it's justified, as long as you call them your enemy.

And obligations to his country, his wife, and the rest of his family.

He covered that. I was just adding what he... um... missed.

You have to come to the realization Ler that in war, people are going to die, whether they are good or evil, israeli or iranian, innocent or villainous.

How does murdering people help his family? The fact is, Israel/NATO will win this war, with or without his help. And if he does die, he will leave his children with a life of sorrow, and mourning.

Weapons of war don't care who they kill, it could be the Ayatollah to some poor child who never wanted to be in war. but in the end of the day a nation has to do what it has to do.

Deaths at a result of war are not murder, though possible Justifiable murder. well Israel has the conscription thing and maybe he just fells like he has a moral duty to do so, even if it the threat of death comes with it.

What would you have me do, let them shoot me? I can't change the realities of war, boy, no matter what my G-d or morals demand of me. All I'm justifying is me doing the shooting instead of someone else. Also, don't preach to me your faulty rhetoric. You don't know what happens inside my head, or what I've gone through on the battlefield. I've commited great sins, and you don't know if I've recognized that or not. I do what I can, and do as much as I can for those I love.

I could talk about how you don't understand, how you've never had a gun to the head of anyone you love, or how I've enough tough decisions to drive a lesser man mad, but I'm not. It's lovely that your trying to pin me into a philosophical corner on my birthday, but it isn't going to work. You don't think I've considered all this for myself? Well, I have, and I don't need some kid on the internet trying to dictate my morals, and tell me what my G-d wants.

I love how you can't have a good joke without someone bitching and creating melodrama.

It is crude but simple:
One justification of going to war and killing others is that of net worth:
MY OBLIGATIONS ARE MORE IMPORTANT TO ME THAN YOURS.

There it is. Crude and in some ways, creul, but true.

You can't speak for Matt's family you bag of filth!

That Comrade is a question that Matt and Matt alone can answer.

It's gone from Iran, to me fighting in Iran, to me dying in Iran. Lovely thing to discuss on my birthday. Also, here's the thing. I love my children dearly. Don't you dare challenge that. But I would be a dead father, rather than one who let all his friends, and even his own wife, die on the battlefield. At the very least, I should be out there with them, so I can say that I at least tried. Look at Imperial's sig, Ler.

Besides, would it be harder to let them lament over my death, or for me to one day have to the answer the question of why I wasn't with mommy, uncles, aunts, and friends when they died. I can't say but I would rather be out there fighting with them?

I was wrong to have brought this up on your birthday, but my point remains.
Edit: That is a primitive, and selfish outlook on life, in my opinion.

So fighting to protect others is primitive, not fighting and possible allowing them to die is not?

Edit: The one good thing this thread has done has allowed me to respect Matt alot more.

Have a family, live life, and in my case, bleed and fight with some people, then come back, and tell me your not selfish, just like me, boy.

Dying for the things in life you love is primitive. Then we are all apes and you must be the zookeeper of all knowledge then!