Ancient History

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  1. thelistener Well-Known Member

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    Well where did Nucleotide come?
    The law of entropy prevents DNA from existing all by it self
    You need something to start the process: god,meteor etc

    Also if RNA could exist it would solve the mystery but base (chemistry word) starts decompose its self. So no that's not the answer
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    Erm, you know how the Earth is about 4.8 billion years old. And how this is a proven fact, right? Well, do you also know how most creationists think the Earth is 6,000 to 10,000 years old? Even taking in to account the inconsistencies with the estimated age it is completely impossible to be less than millions of years old. The evidence of evolution is there, how to explain species that have blatently died out. The Paleolithic age that is dated around 2.5 million years ago. The Great Lakes that formed due to glaciers retreating. A process that takes far longer than 10,000 years.

    If you care for any more examples just ask.
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    Where did God come from?
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    No. The US was really insignificant for centuries. Also, fun fact: Did you know the Dutch were the first to recognize the US? Boy, do we regret...

    ...and when Victoria came along it turned out to be the very biggest country the world has ever seen and will ever see. What did your point prove?

    Then why are you ignorant enough to not see it proves you wrong big time?

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    The American Revolution wasn't such a major accomplishment. The British Empire fought several wars simultaneously and didn't have many troops in their North American colonies.

    ...thus you disproved your own point? You are a really bad debater, aren't you?

    And what is your point?

    And have they ever bragged about it? The US joined WWI when the Germans were already completely broken, and you DO brag about it all the time.

    The only major powers the US ever fought were Britain, Germany and... Mexico...
    The opponents the British Empire has had over time include but are not limited to Germany, the US, the Netherlands, France and Prussia, so pretty much the whole bunch of the dominating countries.

    The Empire never imploded, as far as I know. Nor was it conquered, and they also didn't have a revolution. It exists.

    You DID lose in Vietnam, idiot. If a country loses much more troops and doesn't succeed in doing what it should do, that'd be considered a loss.

    So? Does that change anything? A loss is a loss.

    Now you're doing it yourself. How hypocrite.

    No, it proved the British had their hands full of all the other wars they had to fight simultaneously. It doesn't proof you are awesome at all.

    Yes, you are hypocrite. First you say that Toast is a dick for saying all the people in the US are stupid, and then you claim all British are ignorant assholes.

    Dude, you're really annoying with your stupid facepalms. It makes no point. Try with constructive commentary next time!

    The US certainly is horribly imperialist for a country that isn't an empire...

    So the fact you say all the British you know are ignorant assholes isn't hate speech? I don't follow you.

    ARGH, dammit! Stop the annoying facepalms. All they mean is: "I'm too fucking lazy to take down your arguments with constructive criticism, so I just annoy you with stupid pictures I got from Google, and I hope I have trolled you enough to make you leave in anger."

    God is eternal and doesn't need to be created. If we are going down that road: Where did the primeval atom come from? I should add: I'm agnostic, not religious.
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    I love how off topic these threads can get a thread about Ancient History turned into one about God and the US/Great Britain.
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    Atoms might as well be eternal. It is something we do not yet understand, but the Big Bang theory is so far the furthest we can go. Once we have constructed a large enough telescope that will allow us to look at light particles that have been travelling since the beginning of time, we might be able to give the answer.

    I'd say it was because of Canada. The Canadians didn't want their independence that bad, and Canada was still British territory. Again, I'm not an expert, but really, even after losing the US, did it really matter?

    Again, you're using fictional characters to try and prove a point. If I'd search for them, I could probably find millions of quotes that would be very pro-evolution from cartoons. Not to mention that even if evolution isn't fully proven, we're at 99%.

    Do you even know how science works? Theories like these are made with the assumption they're most likely wrong, but they fit our needs. Science usually isn't about finding proof, it's about finding the exception that breaks the rule. Now, with the painfully obvious evidence that supports evolution, it would fall outside of this category.

    If you'd look up all kinds of ratings of how good countries are doing (kind of like the chart Toast posted), you'll most likely see that Canada, Australia and New Zealand all are ranked above the US.

    Give me solid evidence that God exists.
    Also, DNA is basically strings of aminoacids chained together, isn't it? I've had a bit about DNA in chemistry class, but I forgot about it as soon as possible. Anyway, I think it was mentioned in the article I was talking about earlier. But basically, Earth was at just the right place and contained just the right elements under just the right circumstances for life to create and sustain itself.

    Well, evolution started a long time ago, so that's pretty ancient, I guess.
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    Evolution is 99% correct. The Big Bang Theory is 99% correct.

    If the British honestly did not care about the US, they would have stopped interfering in our affairs immediately after the revolution. They fought the Americans for 8 years. Then they went to war with the US in 1812 because they were dicks and tried to capture our sailors and use them as crew for their ships. Then in The Civil War, it seemed at one point as if they were certainly going to join the South, until the South proved it could not win at all. If Britain did not care about the US they would have gave up on it after they lost the War of Independence.
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    I am not saying evolution is incorrect totally. I am asking were did DNA come from. We don't know. You guys freak out.... wtf is that answer it doesn't answer the question:were did DNA come from.
    I didn't say I believe in god so wtf question is that

    WHY ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT GOD? Yes aminoacids yes. So from the beginning okay:

    so we believe DNA came from RNA but in RNA aminoacids destroy them self's.

    If there is no RNA we have no idea were DNA came from okay....
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    True. Also please don't think that GeneralofCarthage represents all of us Americans. @GeneralofCarthage, sorry but your not making your point very well. You have a right to believe in creationism if you want, but I really don't think you're going to change anyones opinion on the idea on this Forum.
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    We were trying to contain the USA. We did not have a specific interest in owning the USA, we were just keeping them in check (like Germany and France), in the form of setting fire to the capital. We weren't really that keen on the Confederates as we had abolished slavery in 1833.
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    Toast I said god because some people believe in god. Keep a open mind.... Even scientist understand we don't know everything. God dammit you guys are starting to sound like fundamentalist Christians.

    Watch it you might get smarter
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    Fair enough, Dioxyrybonucleic Acid is a complex structure of enzymes. Enzymes are the pruduce of chemicals. Chemicals are the produce of elements and elements are atoms. Atoms make up everything. They were created the moment the Universe started. The overwhelmind likelihood of the start of the universe is, due to evidence, The Big Bang. This is where scientific theory bcomes philosophical due to the fact that there are two things which may have started this. God, or, as I believe, chemicals that existed in a timeless void where nothing can start or end and they just exist. Ofcourse, you could use a similar argument for the existence of God.
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    btw does anybody know any really good book about the war of 1812
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    I didn't freak out, heck, if anyone did, it was you.

    Creationism is pretty much the only alternative to evolution and other scientific theories regarding the creation of life. You ask me for proof of one, I ask you of proof of the other.

    Didn't RNA rip itself in two pieces to create two new strings or something? Damn, I really forgot about all of it.

    That makes no sense whatsoever. So they should've just cut all diplomatic contact and went on like nothing happened? Also:
    Oh yeah, damn those British! As for the sailors, the British hadn't recognised the US as a nation, therefore US citizens were regarded British by them.
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    I did not mean you by it.... I meant people freaking out that somebody questions the THEORY of evolution
    If you don't question, you can't make theories, we never progress.
    Yes so we believe.But why did it do it ;)Divine intervention you might say ( The law of entropy doesn't allow RNA just ripping it self ....) but the problem isn't that WHY did it rip it self, its that, when we try to make RNA in laboratory the aminoacids Destroy them self's.
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    How would you like it if you were being captured by British ships and forced to work on their ships as regular crew? Oh I am sorry, it automatically makes it ok then for the British to capture the American sailors because they considered them British. That might be the stupidest argument I have ever heard.
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    Well, 200 years ago it was not, and the British thought they could do anything they wanted to do (most of them still seem to think that). The problem should be with press-ganging in the first place and not with the fact that it was happening to Americans, who had split from the British Empire 31 years before if I am correct. Taking people at any instance of their lives and forcing them to join the royal navy is more or less akin to slavery, especially considering the condition that British Sailors lived in.
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  18. GeneralofCarthage Well-Known Member

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    Thank you we have a person with reason on the forums: thelisener.
    Technically the empire doesn't exist.

    Though Britain and the empire emerged victorious from the Second World War, the effects of the conflict were profound, both at home and abroad. Much of Europe, a continent that had dominated the world for several centuries, was in ruins, and host to the armies of the United States and the Soviet Union, to whom the balance of global power had now shifted.[158] Britain was left virtually bankrupt, with insolvency only averted in 1946 after the negotiation of a $3.5 billion loan from the United States,[159] the last installment of which was repaid in 2006.[160]
    At the same time, anti-colonial movements were on the rise in the colonies of European nations. The situation was complicated further by the increasing Cold War rivalry of the United States and the Soviet Union. In principle, both nations were opposed to European colonialism. In practice, however, American anti-Communism prevailed over anti-imperialism, and therefore the United States supported the continued existence of the British Empire where it kept Communist expansion in check.[161]
    The "wind of change" ultimately meant that the British Empire's days were numbered, and on the whole, Britain adopted a policy of peaceful disengagement from its colonies once stable, non-Communist governments were available to transfer power to. This was in contrast to other European powers such as France and Portugal,[162] which waged costly and ultimately unsuccessful wars to keep their empires intact. Between 1945 and 1965, the number of people under British rule outside the UK itself fell from 700 million to five million, three million of whom were in Hong Kong.[163]
    Source: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Empire
    Toast has given me a lot of stress that is why I went off.
    Name these "other" wars fought at the same time as the War of Independence. One question How is that not a huge war? It produced one of the best countries in the modern era. The reasons for the facepalms is so I can express what I am feeling. It wasn't a loss when we weren't even in the war. How do lose a war your not even in? That makes no sense whatsoever. I am pretty sure Japan is considered a major power or how about Spain, and Mexico was a power at the time. This is for Toast. It says that the US has better universities than Britain.
    http://www.usnews.com/education/worlds-best-universities-rankings/top-400-universities-in-the-world
    6:4(Top 10) US FOR THE WIN!
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    I never agreed with what they did, I was trying to find the reason for the British...ehrm..."forcefully recruiting"(?) those sailors. Still, in both wars, in the end, the US were the aggressors, and in both cases, the British were fighting much stronger opponents, like Spain, the Netherlands and especially France.

    The only reason that would make it a huge war is the European involvement, and did you really just say you weren't in the Vietnam war, or were you referring to some other war?

    Also, if the US had better universities, they would have the highest ranked one, it's not just about quantity, nor does this prove anything about the general intelligence of an entire country. Not to mention you're quoting a site called US news. Now, if I hadn't seen that list on another site already, I would've called bias on it.

    And about the DNA thing, does it really have to do with evolution? As far as I know, evolution only starts when life already exists, no matter how small, and describes how life changes, not how it starts.
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    DNA has everything to do about evolution.

    Animals evolve because of DNA so yes its one of The basic idea of evolution.

    So I would its pretty goddamn important that we learn were DNA has come from.

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