Relations between Fascism-Keynesianism-Socialism

National Socialism isn't far from Socialist in practice. I mean sure it's not like Communism or Anarchism, but there's plenty of Socialists that don't believe in the abolishment of the state or a worker's revolution. Social Democrats, for example (and yes, Social Democracy is "Socialist").

In fact, I think the reason why National Socialism probably isn't regarded as a Socialist sub-group is because it is so heavily linked with Fascism. Anyway, I think that's what the author was (trying to) get at, more of a "Sweden style"(to refer to it simply) Socialism than Marxist and Leninist.

No, social democracy is not socialist.

It once was a long time ago but now its mixed economy.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_democracy

Not only that, but many Social Democratic parties are members of the Socialist Internationale. Think, the British Labour Party.

LOL KARA. Literally the next sentence in that Wiki article says:

Damn if only he read, yeah the SDP has gone way far away form the socialist goal and now only plays tribute to it here and there. It will be missed.

Where did we dig up this guy?

Its called state capitalism.

Also wasnt Mises a fan of fascism or something?

To the wikipedia!

Labour has pretty much abandoned their socialist past to appeal to a broader spectrum.

I was hoping no one would see that. Well shit.

Right apparently he served as an economic adviser to the austrofascists (read anti-nazi fascists), when they were in control of Austria, and he justified fascism in the same way the mises institute justifies Pinochet: "if it saves us from the socialists then its all right".

You should have edited and deleted that portion of the Wiki article.

Yes I was an economic advisor of the austro-fascists, but I never liked the dictactorshp and ran away latter.

The neo-liberal policies of Pinochet was because of the influence of chileans who studied in the Chicago School. The only Austrian who speaked good about Pinochet was Hayek, but he supported because he thougth it was a transitional dictactorship that would lead back to democracy (what actually happened).

Misses speaks about fascism is in his book "Liberalism" and what he meant to say was that fascism was able to stop for a moment the rising of communism in Europe, but that people should had never got to confident about it. It wasn´t a complement. He was explaining what was happening. And when he says "best intentions" what he meant was that everyone has best intentions at heart , but, the consequences are different.

The title says it all. No real point of discussing this idiocy by Crocve. I bet you wholly agree that national socialism is somewhat socialism, because I've met a bunch of those pricks in the past.

I never realized you were that old.

I didnt say mises or the austrian economists supported pinochet, I said that the mises institute supported it, as in the think tank.

So basicly what I said? If it saves us from the "communists" then its ok. Also so he states that practically everyone has the best intentions and that the consequences are often different? So that would also count for himself or his "communists"? Which makes this a quite redundant statement.

The best kind of all right.

Not this again...

Kali what do you hate more fascism or socialism.

Nice remark, dude. (irony)
And by the way nice image, with two of the greatest murderers of the past century.

I think it shows really where the idiocy is.

An error. I meant "he was".