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Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Bart, Jan 28, 2012.

  1. Kalalification Guest

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    In any case they're a bunch of criminals on some self-aggrandized crusade against 'the Man.' Not even vigilantes, just punks who decide to break the law when it suits them.
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  2. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    Revenge for what? As many have said, MegaUpload is not unique. There are hundreds of other sites like it. It is only revenge if they had personal stakes in the success of the company.
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    They are not protesting because they now have to use another site, but because the US government actually closes down websites. Foreign websites with that.
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    Weren't the servers in the US.
    Edit: Not using a question mark when asking a question. Happy Birthday Kali
  5. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Nope. Most of them were hosted by a Dutch company. There might have been a server in the US, though.
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    Definition:the unofficial or unauthorized use of violence and intimidation in the persuit of political aims.
    The definition clearly states that it's both the use of "violence and intimidation."
    You could call them a terrorist organization in the sense that they "intimidate" people when they shut down websites, but that would mean protesters are also terrorists when they "intimidate" people with their large number and shut down traffic.(of course I don't think either of them are terrorists)
  7. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    But you could argue that their crimes extended to the US.
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    What crimes? Letting people upload their own files?
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    Letting people download pirated files, some of media that was produced in the US.
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    You might as well shut down YouTube for letting people upload and watch films and music. Or even Google, for showing search results that might have some unintended copyrighted material. Hell, why don't we shut down the internet! That'll keep your hands off copyrighted material! Fuck yeah!
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    Youtube makes an active effort to stop what would be defined as "piracy", and as far as I know offers no service for what is posted on it's site to be copied. Google, while showing these sites, is merely a means to an end. There is no way to prove that they purposefully lead people to these sites without the consent of the person, who needs to search for them. Pedro posted the indictment for Megaupload. You should read it.

    http://www.scribd.com/doc/78786408/Mega-Indictment
  12. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Megaupload did so too. They removed many files. That's one of the main reason why people use torrents instead of Megaupload.
  13. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    Yes, but can they prove that they proactively attempted to not only remove files, but keep pirated material off their site. That is the nature of the indictment.
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    From the indictment "to transport, transmit, and transfer and attempt to transport, transmit, and
    transfer a monetary instrument and funds from a place in the United States to and through a place outside the United States, and to a place in the United States from or through a place outside theUnited States, with the intent to promote the carrying on of the specified unlawful activity of criminal copyright infringement, in violation of Title 18, United States Code, Section1956(a)(2)(A)"

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    "7.
    Megaupload.com advertises itself as a “cyberlocker,” which is a private data
    storage provider. However, as part of the design of the service, the vast majority of
    Megaupload.com users do not have significant capabilities to store private content long-term. Unregistered anonymous users (referred to as “Non-Members” by the Conspiracy) are allowed to upload and download content files, but any Non-Member-uploaded content that is not downloaded within 21 days is permanently deleted. Similarly, registered free users (or “Members”) are allowed to upload and download content files, but each uploaded file must be downloaded every 90 days in order to remain on the system. Only premium users have a realistic chance of having any private long-term storage,
    8.
    Once a user clicks on a link, the user is generally brought to a download page for
    the file. The download page contains online advertisements provided by the Conspiracy, which means that every download on Megaupload.com provides a financial gain to the Conspiracy that is directly tied to the download. The more popular the content, such as copies of well-known copyrighted works, the more users that find their way to a Megaupload.com download page; the access of these additional users, in turn, makes the Mega Conspiracy more money. Because only a small percentage of Megaupload.com users pay for their use of the systems, Mega Conspiracy’s business strategy for advertising requires maximizing the number of online
    downloads (i.e., distributions of content), which is also inconsistent with the concept of
    private storage. since their files are not regularly deleted due to non-use. In contrast, when any type of user on Megaupload.com uploads a copy
    of a popular file that is repeatedly downloaded, including infringing copies of copyrighted works available for download, that file remains on Mega Conspiracy-controlled computers and is available for distribution by anyone who can locate an active link to the file."

    You would need to prove that the files taken off the site were due to copyright infringement rather then those listed above.
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    To my knowledge, after the Roman Empire has taken over England, the international standard in law enforcement is that someone remains not guilty unless proven otherwise. Why would it be different in this case? That's like I say: "You saw he tried to eat my sandwich!"
    "I did indeed, but I tried to stop him."
    "Prove it!"
    That's foolish.
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    It's like if a mod deleted a post on this site. He or she would not only have to delete the post, but show that it was worth deleting, due to some infraction of the rules.
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    That's what I said. You remain not guilty unless proven otherwise. If a mod deletes a post, they have to prove it broke the rules (technically not, since we are users of Spencer's private property, which he has legal control over). It's not like they can delete every post and make it impossible for members to prove they are not guilty. What you just said only proves the process with Megaupload is not following the Constitution. The so-called "fact" that Mega Conspiracy exists is just as much proven as the "fact" that aliens exist.
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    Have you read the indictment? It seems to me that they have a good amount of proof that Megaupload not only facilitated but supported piracy. That would be the, "proven guilty" part.
  19. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    I'm sorry, I don't read that fast. I'm currently at page 7, and so far I've only seen statements presented as facts.
  20. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Skip down to page 28. Read Overt Acts.

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