The GREAT DEBATE of should U.S OF A bring back troops from Afghanistan

1.when you read this, listen to this
2.I don't have a clear opinion on this, so I bleed my heart out... To you the forum! To take on this debate
3. If the mods think that this isn't good or nobody wont debate this they can bring this down......
4. I shall give you some pondering for you shy people, with no awareness of your feelings and thoughts ignore the Ron Paul ad only the MAIN point of video is important

Also we all know that Obama is slowly bringing troops home but the question is should he bring them back NOW or keep them longer or even send more troops.

The problem is that there isn't enough forces in Afghanistan. We need more troops there so that we can secure areas properly.

Just to say I get the hole point of the video, but I don't like that in the end it was just an election ad for Ron Paul.
As for Afghanistan I wish our troops were out, but I can also see problems with our troops leaving.

No. Not at all.


I will give the short answer now, and elaborate as people try and debate with me. All of our troops in Afghanistan should return immediately to the US.

America went to Afghanistan it should at least do it right you need more troops.

Obama wanted an invasion that was efficient and with the least amount of troops as possible. War doesn't work that way; you need a lot of troops to secure captured areas so that they don't get recaptured.

a. need more troops to safeguard b-e
b. need more nation building
c. needs political reforms
d. needs infrastructure built
e. needs buisness reforms/help/largescale investments

if the usa fails or is not willing to provide any of the above on a large scale, in a 15-20 year time span. Then what the hell are you still doing there.... It was clear in 2001 that all this has to happen but america wasnt commited enough to actualy do it, now they are still 15 years of instead of 5.... eventualy the us has to either commit or to withdraw. but at the rate they are currently doing afghanistan will not be a better place and it doesn't matter if they stay or leave.
But with the current state of the us treasury i doubt they are even able/willing to bring a country that is still in medieval times (politicaly/economicaly/socialy) up to a reasonable standard. Afghanistan was a shit hole and it will stay one. So i don't see why they shouldn't leave after they trained and equiped their army (we all know nothing bad can com of theis ;-) ). So in one or two years i expect them to leave, without achieving anything, aside from killing ossama.

They should either increase the troops or continue pulling out the way they are. We are defeating the Taliban, we are just not making Afghanistan self-sufficient enough to finish off the Taliban when we leave. I love the irony of the situation because we sent weapons to the Taliban to fight off the Soviets when they invaded....

Or we could just leave. Nothing of value would be lost.

Obama didn't invade. Bush did. And you obviously know nothing of the war in Afghanistan. It is not a conventional War against an opposing Army. We are fighting an insurgency. The goal of the war is to defend the people who want us to leave. There is no defined enemy territory. The Taliban launches operations all over the country, regardless of who "controls" it, simply because they exist within the Afghani people, not a territory. Wherever there are Afghanis who want America out of the picture, there will be enemies. And the more we fight them, the more they want us out of the picture. This is a war that cannot be won.

You can beat the Taliban, just not the way we are trying to beat them.

I know bush invaded, but he didn't play politics and say that the invasion would be small. Obama played politics, pulled troops out. And when I meant the invasion force, I meant the force that's already in afghanistan. It's small and it can't control an area for long.

Let's take it from the beginning. Why did we invade Afghanistan? Because the Taliban was harboring terrorists. So, we invaded. We deposed the Taliban, and installed a new government that we liked. And, ten years later, we have all but eliminated those Terrorists. So, now what are we doing? Why haven't we left? Because the Taliban is still there. Right? Well, let me ask you something, why do they need our help? If enough people supported the Republican forces, then they would have no problem defeating the Taliban on their own. They have a modern, organized Army. They have stable leadership, for the most part. Unlike the Taliban, they don't exist solely for war-making. The thing is, most people don't support them, even though they are clearly the better option when compared to the Taliban. Most people don't like the Republic simply because they are associated with us, the United States. Most Afghanis who join the Taliban do it not out of religious fervor, but out of a hatred of the United States, out of independent nationalism and a desire to see us out of their lands. And the only organization that is doing anything about that is the Taliban. So, despite the Taliban's radical beliefs, they join them. But, why do all the Afghani's hate us, we are just trying to help them! We mean them no harm! Yes, well, that's all fine and dandy, but would you really believe that if you see them coming into yours or your neighbors's home, ransacking the place, accidentally killing innocents, and generally causing trouble. If you hear about how much they, their leaders, and their population hate your people and your religion? If you see them, and they look like otherworldly demons with their strange suits of armor, their white skin that looks unnatural, their dangerous metal beasts whose only purpose is to cause mass destruction, hear their foreign nonsensical language? If you're closest friends, neighbors, and fellow countrymen tell you of countless crimes they have committed? And then your so-called leaders, who are incompetent and don't accomplish much, tell you you need to support them while these monsters stand at their side? What if you heard of an organization that opposed them, one that was made up of all Afghani's. One that claimed to have God and all that is holy on it's side. One that waged a war against these infidels. Would you not want to side with them?

Regardless of what they used to be, now the only reason the Taliban fights us is simply because we are their.
So here's the plan, we leave, our boys stop dieing, peace is achieved. Having nothing to fight for, the Taliban simply stops fighting. And even if they don't, why should we care? It's not our fight. Let them work out their own problems the way they want.

Shit, I was going to continue my rant, but I got distracted and forgot what I was going to say. I'm sure you'll think of a point against my argument ad I will easily counter it, so whatever.

The Taliban will still be there after we leave if we pull out now. If we change our way of how we are going about this whole thing, the Taliban wont be there when we leave.

Right, but why does that matter?

And what are suggesting? Simply increasing the amount of boys to send into that clusterfuck we call a "war"?

The big man said it best:

I find the war on the Taliban in Afghanistan and the war on terror to be different. We did enough in the war on terror by killing just about every top dude in AL Quaeda.

The big man did say it best, that is correct.

The only reason we invaded Afghanistan was because the Taliban was harboring Al-Qaeda. It's not a matter of what you think, that's just a fact.

At first they were the same war but now they seem to be two separate wars. The war on terror is all over the middle east and Africa.

The war in Afghanistan is a part of the war on terror. There is no actual war against an army of terror. It's a term used to collectively describe many conflicts as parts of a larger one. A square is still a rectangle.

Besides, you still haven't countered my argument

Which leads me to believe that you have no counter argument, and have accepted that I am right and you are wrong. But you have't, you're just neglecting it because you have nothing to say but are too stubborn to admit defeat. Or you'll just say that you didn't see it there.