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Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by Bart, Jan 28, 2012.

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  1. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Given: That does seem pretty water tight. But even if it's right, there still are the following issues:
    1) Should the FBI be allowed to take down a foreign website?
    2) Did the website really cost the movie industry as much money as they claim?
    3) Should we allow a governmental institute to reduce our online liberties?
    Bart, Jan 29, 2012
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  2. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    As long as they had the approval of the country the website was hosted in then yes, they are well within their bounds.
    I honestly would not know, but I could see it as a feasible number.
    It depends if you consider it a liberty, or a crime.
    CoExIsTeNcE, Jan 29, 2012
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  3. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Arguably. But I don't know enough about the subject to judge that.

    Many people seem to think that people who pirate a game, program, movie or music would have otherwise bought it in a store. I can tell you that this isn't true with over 95% of the cases (for me). So if you consider that, the number gets a lot and a lot smaller.

    First of all, what piracy websites do is sharing. If I'd take a USB stick, put a movie on it and take it to your home, no one would say anything about it. Just because someone sends me it via the internet, people suddenly start to get mad. That's a weird situation.

    Second of all, piracy will in the long term also be beneficial for people who do not do piracy, for the reason that the loss of profit forces them to look for ways to distribute their content. For example: iTunes is a very good legal alternative for pirating, simply because it makes it lots and lots easier to buy stuff without getting out of your chair. One of the main reasons I do piracy is because it's easier than buying stuff.
    Bart, Jan 29, 2012
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    Actually, getting it on a USB is piracy also, just no one knows when you do it. As to your second point: piracy is okay as long as I am socially awkward? That's new.
    LeonTrotsky, Jan 29, 2012
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    FeyBart, just because you like what they're doing doesn't magically turn it legal. What Anonymous does is illegal. What MegaUpload did was illegal. What the FBI did was routine and legal. Your ideas about piracy don't affect the unlawful nature of the act, and your ideas about Anonymous's 'protesting' also don't change the fact that what they're doing is against the law. Calling both of them criminals is completely proper.
    Kalalification, Jan 29, 2012
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  6. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    I didn't say piracy is legal, I meant it should be legal. Or they should at least try different ways to stop it, 'cause this is clearly not working. I once wrote a blogger's opinion on this. I would post it, but it's in Dutch. I'll write a column about it for next month's newsletter.
    Bart, Jan 30, 2012
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    I look forward to your justifications of piracy. Don't spoil it!
    Imperial1917, Jan 30, 2012
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  8. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    While it may not completely stop piracy, offering an easier alternative (like Steam, or iTunes) can help reduce it, as a lot of people that are willing to pay for (high quality) products can't be arsed to visit a store right now, and an easily accessible online service would indeed lower the amounts of piracy, or at least it will do a lot more good for literally everyone if such services were implemented decently instead of ludicrous bills like SOPA.

    As for Anonymous, Kali's absolutely right. While I'm still not entirely sure how the arrests involving the MegaUpload case work exactly, what I can tell is that the people that have been arrested are criminals, no matter how you look at it. This of course doesn't stop the hordes of mindless anti-government idiots who blindly reject anything their government says and protest against them with any opportunity they get. While in the case of SOPA, PIPA and the like they're absolutely right, most of the time they're just overreacting.

    Anonymous' actions aren't only illegal, they're childish, unjustified and insignificant, only meant to spark hatred against the government.
    UnitRico, Jan 30, 2012
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  9. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    I agree, except for your last paragraph.
    Bart, Jan 31, 2012
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  10. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Care to explain?
    UnitRico, Jan 31, 2012
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  11. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Well, I think this is just active protesting, and an act to get attention for the situations. And it's really not meant to spark hatred against the US government. It really isn't.
    Bart, Jan 31, 2012
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  12. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    It sure seems like it. Protesting is fine, criminal activity is not.
    UnitRico, Jan 31, 2012
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    RickPerryLover, Feb 3, 2012
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  14. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Bart, Feb 4, 2012
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    He is a libertarian so probably...
    Warburg, Feb 4, 2012
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    Wait, a libertarian in the Republican party...?
    Bart, Feb 4, 2012
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  17. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    He is aligned with the Republicans, but that's just to be part of one of the major parties. He is in fact libertarian.
    LeonTrotsky, Feb 4, 2012
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  18. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    Bart, Feb 4, 2012
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    Give Anonymous their fair due for exposing Ron Paul for having close ties with white supremacist groups such as American Third Position. All the liberitarians can go back in a fucking hole and shut the hell up. There is no way they can defend Ron Paul for this, its been proven that his racist and he favored the confedrates in the American civil war. In actuality he defended slavery. Now that is fucking absurd!
    SovietEmpireUSSR, Feb 5, 2012
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  20. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    I've read a bit on this, but from what I can tell there's only a claim from "Anonymous" that Ron Paul's involved. Oh, and a few pictures. But, that's about it. I might be wrong though, I mostly skimmed through stuff a bit. Not to mention what they did was still illegal.
    UnitRico, Feb 5, 2012
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