CAPITALISTISM STUPID, OR STUPID AND PSYCHOTIC?

Into our typical "Capitalism has this flaws" and such, debate.

Ah and any new debates tactics and arguments been used?

You got anything else better? And no, 'lets not talk about that, anything is better' is not a valid answer.
And of course the conversation matter has not changed. The subjects themselves remain the same.

Hey, why so agressive? I didn't say it in a bad way. I was just pointing out that it's not the first time, or anything too different to the usual.

Im entirely convinced if someone was smart they would take notes of the debates, because everyone debate is just going to be recycled over and over at one point and as such you have time to prepare yourself.

Yes, you did say it in a bad way.

And how do you know that?

Because we can see you'r post, thats how.

Internet. It wasn't meant to be aggressive. Just the lack of internet tone control and all that... stuff.
I'm sure you understand.

Its called superthreading. But people never want to stay there. Notice that the Libya thread was the only one really ever enforced. The others just... fell apart.
And people stray from topic on other threads and end up in old arguments.
I've thought about trying to keep track, but I never did.
That and all the data from pre-change of the site from the original formatting is beyond my reach. I can't find the posts or threads anymore.

Still my point that if one was smart he could easily learn every debate and every argument of the thread members if they so wished.

What point is there to that?
You can take them as they come.

It's ok. Here, have a cookie.

This smells fishy. I think Viking is making plans to be a master debater

Cookie? Where?!

Me I am far to lazy to be master debater and besides my vocabulary will not allow this, but from this day forth every debate you make will be documented by me.

New ancillary:
VikingSocrates the Chronist, +3 to awesomness.

No person inherently "deserves" anything by being born (aside from basic human rights). It's a function of the parent being free to distribute and endow their money upon whoever or whatever they please. Seing as that money is their's, it also their's to give away.

I know I'm doing a bit of free thinking here, but if your struggling financially, you probably shouldn't have children until you are in a better position. I know we shouldn't expect people to have common sense like that, but y'know. Maybe there wouldn't be as much poverty if more people used that common sense. It's a prime example of why we should be teaching money management and life skills from Elementary School.

Anyway, if someone decides they want to amass their wealth, or shower it upon their children, or whatever, they should be able to. They should be taxed at a greater rate, but they souldn't be forced to distribute or utilize their money in a manner they find displeasing. It's the government's job to take a certain portion of their income and distribute that in a fashion which assists the middle and lower class. The burden of responsibility is not on the rich.

Greed isn't wrong. People have no obligation to anyone but themselves. If you want to help the needy, go for it. However, a lot of us don't want to do that. Or if we do, then it's on our own terms and for our own reasons. Altruism is dangerous only when it enters public policy, so don't attempt to force the rest of us into your half-baked ideological crusade and we're fine.

Greed is wrong in my mind, in fact to me it is one of the worst aspects of mankind. So much suffering and plenty of wars have been caused by greed over the ages.

The flaw behind that premise is that the needy aren't getting anywhere near the help they need. Hundreds starve to death in Africa every minute, and one third of Americans are in poverty levels - What's worse about this is that this is NOT going to change under Capitalism. If everybody in the world had a safe level of income, and lived with even a minimum amount of comfort, the system would stop working. Sustained poverty, and all.

I understand that some people would like to earn more than others. Who doesn't want to feel special, or have flashy stuff. But the fact is,, for every one person living in comfort under capitalism, 1000 are in poverty. That cannot, by any decent human being, be justified either morally, or ethically. And from a logical standpoint, capitalism is an extremely fragile form of economics.

It's like, 2AM here, and I can't sleep, so pardon me for the low quality. I felt that I had to respond.

Nothing is worse than someone citing Africa as a fault of Capitalism. The fact of the matter is that most of their problems stem from ineffective governance, drought, warfare, and the absolute shit land they have to farm on. If you set up effective systems of governance in every country, established some sort of policy on how many kids you have, increased the spread of contraceptives, and request foreign aid in dealing with the warlords, you could be in considerably better shape in 20 years.

That's a blatant lie. It's actually closer to 15%.
http://news.yahoo.com/revised-govt-formula-shows-poverty-high-49-1m-135427317.html