The Ancient History Thread Off Topic Homosexuality Debate.

*Sigh* Just a biblical story dude.

Besides, I am guessing your one of those people who commits that all homosexuals will go to a fire pit of hell for there sin, when really even if its is a sin to which I disagree they can just pray for the lord and savoir Jesus Christ to absolve them of sin and they will go to purgatory and eventually heaven.

It's not really surprising that Gen is interested in history, since he is living in the middle ages as far as some of his beliefs go. The simple fact is that the only reason to consider homosexuality a sin is blindly following an ages old book, written by men and translated just about more than any other.

I have provided many reasons as to why it should not be considered one. Back then it was considered wrong to keep the population rising. Now we do not need to worry about that. Homosexuality could hardly even dent that.

All it is is two people loving and caring for one another, explain to me how that is worthy of hell? It is not wrong because it causes no harm.

The ONLY thing different is that two people of the same gender can't make a baby... oh wait, a lesbian couple can still have one naturally with medical aid and keep in mind that infertile(male)(or other problems) straight couples use this method to get pregnant too. Besides they can always adopt.

Straight couples have much less need of adoption and there are MANY kids who need to be adopted. Gay couples would be much more likely to do so and therefore provide homes for children in need. Terrible, they might grow up to be disgusting sinners but at least they will have a loving home.

That... actually is not a good point. Whatsoever.
While it may be an amusing point:
G-d could have EASILY made 'Adam and Steve'. That he chose not to is not a point saying that he disapproved. Think of the infinite things that G-d DIDN'T DO. By the logic [if it is worthy of that prestigious title] that you are employing, anything that G-d DIDN'T make is a sin to make.

The bottom line is this: unless you can point to me the passage in which G-d said "I do not approve of homosexuality" or some gramatical variation thereof, as far as I am concerned, its not a valid point in the debate.

And just because it is a sin may be in one religion, doesn't make it a sin in another.
And just because it is a sin in ANY religion, does not mean that ANYONE has to abide by it. Just as people have a right to their own religion, they have the right to not be oppressed by others when they pursue their religion.
And secularism.
That is all.

Has anyone notice he is using old testament text to support his claim, especially with creationism and adam and steve, how very hypocritical.

I misunderstand the significance of the statement. Its late.

You have to go back one page and look at how he goes "the old testament isn't for Christians" and yet he goes around using it to support his claim, and honestly I fail to see what the big deal is with homosexuality its not like its going to end up causing the end of the world, and if I was a child in need of adoption I wouldn't what sexuality it was of the people adopting me, I would just be proud someone is and that I have a loving home. but honestly my own bias as it extreme work here (I think it its known why)

Not natural? Get serious, man. We haven't been doing natural shit since our ancestors picked up a piece of rock to dig up roots.

The thing is, the parts about oppressing women and slavery are left out. Why not the ones about homosexuality as well? (which, as far as I know, only give a vague description about it, and never use the word itself). Not to mention gay people marrying is apparently terrible, yet if they're under 16, sexually abusing them and scarring them for life is just fine.

Let me just point another thing out here:

Dude, didn't you see that report Bill O' Reilly did on the Netherlands? Amsterdam is a chaotic, anarchy-filled criminal hole! It's all because of gays and marijuana!

Adam and Eve not Adam and Steve? Someones been watching Philadelphia.

First look at all those horrible countries that have legalized gay marriage just look at their rampant crime rates in an all most anarchy state, oh god the inhumanity the gays cause.
Now look at those nice states that ban homosexuality (Like Iran) just look at how peaceful and democratic they are.

I like how you people are telling me what to believe.
Also I could be wrong why do you constantly try to make me feel like an asshole for my beliefs. Oh a fundamentalist believes every part of the Bible, I only believe certain parts.

Here the problem, you are also in turn telling us to believe and what you believe is ignorance, yeah you have the right to believe in the false pretense that homosexuality is bad and a sin, but guess what we have ever right to bash your little ideas in. Unless your one of those "I support this, until someone attacks me, so Im going to claim its suppression of my ideas because I lack a basic counter" now if you want to actually debate this like a man, then go ahead but guess what like a pro-nazi you are outmanned in this debate, but by all means you can believe that you are correct, but I can tell you it's wrong.

nor have we forced you to change your position.

True statement. Let me get this clear, I COULD be wrong. I have no problem with gays but I don't like homosexuality. To clarify, I don't hate anyone because I they are gay I just hate homosexuality not the people.

Two word "Clarify this next time" o.k more then two words but I flunked math class the last 5 years so what do I know.

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But still I disagree with your very stone aged position, and believe you should be more open to people's homosexuality but to each there own.

I can see what you are trying to say. I don't think that gays will burn in an eternity of damnation. Think of it as the Underworld, they would be like in the Fields of Aphosphel (is that how you spell it?).

Purgatory or limbo, would be it. although according to the Dante inferno they will go to circle of violence because it is violence against god and his nature. Although if Dante's inferno is fact they lets just accept we are all fucked.