Israel and Iran - Will we see air strikes soon?

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by matthewchris, Feb 7, 2012.

  1. ComradeLer Proud Anti-Patriot

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    Yes, it does. Capitalism requires a large amount of people (Generally 1-2 thirds) be in poverty, or otherwise extremely low levels of income. An inevitable consequence of that is illegal prostitution. While capitalism exists, there will always exist illegal prostitution. I don't think you would understand this though, after all according to you, anybody who is poor 'Lacks drive' and is lazy.
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    Illegal prostitution isn't a relevant part of this debate, and you keep getting off track. The only thing I'm arguing for is legal and clean prostitution within the status quo. Ignoring the rest of my post is basically conceding I'm right.
    Plenty of people can fall on hard times, but plenty piss away their opportunities at school and work every day. Either way, your trying to spin this into a ideological debate, because that's what your comfortable in. But this isn't one, it's a debate about a social issue. Keep it within that context, and it will be greatly appreciated.
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    It's a social issue that draws from ideology. Ideology is completely relevant.
    Of course, you know your beliefs are unjustifiable, both morally, and logically. You only cling to capitalism because you like the feeling of superiority over others.
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    No, it isn't. It's purely a issue of liberty and personal morality, neither of which have anything to do with economic systems or illegal prostitution.
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    I think, as is my liberal sovereignty, ideology, and taxonomy, that we should get back on topic.
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    So back, umm Im guessing we got off the entire Iran debate?
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    Poverty will exist always in any system.
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    I just outlawed poverty.....wait a fucking min....CAN WE GET BACK ON TOPIC.
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    Ok back on topic. I find it funny that Iran didnt allow those UN inspectors to look at their nuclear program despite them constantly claiming they are not building nuclear missiles...
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    I think ler is saying that low paying(something legal prostitution isnt) prostitutes will always exist as long as there is poverty.
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    Well that is a given.
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    Fuck it apparently all forums will boil down into a Marxist vs Capitalist debate.
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    He's also arguing against prostitution itself.
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    Basically, this. I'm perfectly fine if somebody chooses to go out and have sex with a bunch of people in exchange for services. But the majority of prostitutes have no choice, and things will continue to be that way as long as Capitalism exists. I was trying to argue three things specifically - That it is morally wrong to hire a prostitute, that illegal prostitution will continue to exist as long as capitalism does, and that given the current economic and social structure of our society, it is a horrible field to industry to be in.
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    Illegal prostitution, like poverty will exist in any and every political system.
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    In a system where poverty didn't exist, where every bodies needs were met and when water, food, electricity, education, entertainment, healthcare, and housing were free, and where everybody was guaranteed a safe job, nobody would be forced to do it by economic circumstances. Which is, if I may remind you, the reason why the majority of prostitutes do what they do. Sure, some people would still have sex with other people for services/goods - But they wouldn't be forced to, and that is what matters.
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    Soooo..... a communist society would solve the problem.
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    Basically, yes. More.. Ordinary socialism could probably solve the problem too though, at least to a large degree.
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    There is no system that could ever get rid of poverty. No matter what an ideology does in theory, it could never get rid of poverty.

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