9/11, time to forget?

I didn't say I haven't laughed at one, I just said i haven't made one myself. If someone criticizes me for making a joke about other countries that is insensitive, then I am perfectly ok with that. I would be in the wrong. And what you say, sadly, is true. There are plenty of neo-Confederate groups around in the Southern U.S. who try to make the Rebels look good. And of course there are many other worse groups around than them. There are of course many groups that are correct (Native Americans) in their view.

Oh look Comrade Ler deleted his post....again.

We should never forget about it, but remember it was the actions of 19 disturbed individuals, not a country, or a people, or an entire religion. It happened 10 years and some change ago, and those that lost family members shouldn't be told to forget about it, people are dicks for even thinking that, that's like telling family members of the Holocaust that came to America, but lost their entire families in the Holocaust to forget about it, to get over it.To the rest of us, it was sad but it didn't effect us directly, and now the only daily remembrance we have of it is if we fly on an airplane. Going through security you know you're saying, "fucking Al-Qaeda, reason why I have to go through all this stupid shit. Thanks a lot Bin Laden." But to put 9/11 in perspective to an another "American Tragedy" December 7th, 1941, "The Day that will live in Infamy" 2,402 killed, 1,247 wounded. Everyone that comes on this website or even this forum wasn't even born when it happened, or our parents, probably most of our grandparents were just born or not very old. That event has a completely different meaning to our grandparents and great-grandparents generation then it does to us. I have 3 children, my oldest son wasn't born until 7 years after the attacks on 9/11, do you think my children will be affected at all by 9/11? Probably saddened like most of us are when we see the footage of the towers burning and people dying and stuff like that, but it won't really matter to them, but you need to try having tragedy happen in your life, have your family taken away from you in some freak occurrence, and see how long it takes you to get over it. And don't quote the children dying in Africa every hour, unless your doing something to help, if you aren't than your just being a dumb twat, it's like the commercials about 1200 children leave us an hour from hunger, if you quote that kind of shit and aren't sending money to help stop that, that you're a hypocrite, and need to shut the fuck up. Oh yeah and the being sad about 9/11 because of something that happened in 1973, how many people have died under Communist rule? or Fascist Rule? How many people have died in the name of Democracy, or in the name of a Republic, or died for their King/Queen and Country?

I'm sorry I've been around some pretty in-sensitive, non politically correct people, and never once have I ever heard somebody make a Tsunami joke, I've heard people make Holocaust jokes, and it ended 67 years ago, and people still give them dirty looks. You telling me it's okay for people to make jokes about the Holocaust, The Trail of Tears, The locking up of German, Italian, and Japanese Americans during World War 2, because it happened so long ago? And as for Fat Man and Little Boy, dropping on Nagasaki and Hiroshima, America get's so much shit for that, but yet without us dropping those two, taking so many lives, so many more lives would have been lost invading Japan and all it's islands, both Allied and Japanese alike, so which is the greater evil? People shouldn't pity the 9/11 survivors and family members that lost loved ones in 9/11, they don't need yours or the worlds fucking pity, but what they deserve is for you and the rest of the world to keep your fucking mouths shut about the subject of 9/11, something that didn't even effect you. And just a warning to anyone that does happen to make a 9/11 joke around the world, near a 9/11 survivor or family member, seeing as I've met some, prepare to lose some fucking teeth probably. Than we can all laugh at how you look with no front teeth.

I don't know where to begin to address that. Too much fail.

Address it any which way you want, but it's true, do you even live in the states? who have you heard make Tsunami jokes? I don't know anyone that insensitive, and I've lived around some redneck, country ass people that are racist as any member of the KKK, or the Neo-Nazi's.

Repost: First off, Japan was only weeks off surrendering at that point. The reason why the US nuked Japan was to speed it up a bit, so that the soviets wouldn't be able to attempt their landing. Basically, they nuked two cities, killed some 500'000 (?) civilians so that they wouldn't have to share with the Soviets. Also, why the hell did you have to nuke cities? What would have prevented them from nuking the country side, or a military target? I consider the Hiroshima and Nagasaki bombings on the level of the Holocaust.


Second, I would never make a 9/11 joke in front of a victim, or the family of a victim, the same as I wouldn't make, or laugh at a holocaust joke in front of a Jew. That being said, I see nothing wrong with making 9/11 jokes when not in the company of an American, or 9/11 victim. That is what I am trying to say. And yeah, a lot of people made Tsunami jokes, to a point where the internet was flooded with them - Hell, Americans have a terrible reputation of laughing at other countries disasters, and generally being dicks in the face of foreign culture. For some reason, when we return to you half as much as you give us, you guys tend to get mad.

Edit: 700 people Children die every 5 minutes due in Africa.

*Edit2x: This post was a bit nationalistic. I apologize for that.

Have I ever said I was a victim? No, I haven't, I was 14 when 9/11 happened, has America done some fucked up shit in the short time it's been involved in World History? Yes. But why are we always looked at as the villain? What about the USSR? What about the shit that the Japanese did in China? Do you think the Chinese mourn the US dropping two Atomic bombs on Japan? No, probably no people that lived through World War 2 in the pacific under Japanese rule. What about what the Brits and French did to Germany that helped make World War 2 possible in the first place, that gave Hiter a way to climb to power? Look what the Australians did to the aborigines. No one is innocent, no one, but the world likes to make America the boogeymen, like unfortunately stupid dumb Americans did to Americans that practiced Islam after 9/11. As for the invasion of Japan it was very much real, look up Operation Downfall. It was planned to start November 1st, 1945, X-Day.

Who is saying Japan was weeks from surrendering? Where is the proof that they were gonna surrender? You can say they were gonna surrender all you want, but until you can prove that they were gonna surrender, I am gonna assume they were gonna fight. They were training civilians to charge with bamboo sticks. Sure looked like they were about to surrender.

Wow look who's talking about fail. At this point your just pulling shit out of your ass. The Japanese where most certanly not prepared to surrender, they publically declared that they would hold out as long as they could, it took two atomic bombs and the invasion of manchuckuo by the soviets to finally prompt the emperor to intervene and order a surrender to the allies(there was even an attemted coup, to stop the surrender), before hand they were prepared to die fighting(if you have not noticed, the japanese troops in ww2 were some of the most fanatical in history, some holdout lasted till the goddamn 70's!).

The invasion of Japan was predicted to cost over 1,000,000 lives, the two atomic bombing took at most, 200,000, the intital fireboming campaings took more lives then then this. And you could bet that their would be many more in a conventional invasion.

Just a heads up, I hate my shithole of an inbred racist country, and I completely acknowledge that my ancestors were genocidal murdering rapist-scum. It got to me more than anything that you expected me to make some kind of justification there - There isn't one.

Now I am ashamed what the Nazi's did, but do I hate being German? No, I am proud to be from a people that has been around since before the Fall of the Roman Empire, hell my family name goes back to the Visa-Goth's that took on the Roman Empire. You should never be ashamed of yourself or your people for what a they did generations before, I was just making a point. I'm proud to be a Son of the South, born and raised in Texas, but do I think slavery was right? That segregation and separate but equal was right? No, one of the best men in American History was a Southern General, his name was Robert E. Lee, he did not believe in Secession or Slavery but still could not fight and kill his own countrymen, and most Americans do not think of him as a good man because he was a General for the Confederacy. So don't hate your people or your country, they are where you come from, have you or any members of your family done any of the atrocities in Australian History. Hell even Katt Williams said to white people, we don't blame you for your what your ancestors did 400 years ago, we don't blame you anymore, as I'm sure the descendants of the aborigines and the ones still around don't blame you or your family what happened before. Hell, Australia was founded by prisoners right? America was founded by people no one liked. Rome was supposedly founded by the survivors of Troy. you can't help where you come from, what your country has done in the past, only try to change it and make it better in someway, and stop things like that from happening ever again.

Exactly. You hit the nail on the head. And besides, if you look at what happened when we invaded islands that had Japanese civilians on them, they more often then not killed themselves at the urging of the Japanese defenders. The Atomic bomb was the lesser of two evils.

I love how about 90% of your arguement is about WWII... not 9/11

Yup. And let's assume for a minute they were gonna surrender. How would we have known they would surrender because they certainly didnt give any indication that they would? I mean to us, there were only two practical options, drop two atomic bombs and kill a couple hundred thousand, or invade and lose millions upon millions of soldiers and millions upon millions of civilians.

This. The bomb was needed, both of them. The Japanese were fully prepared to keep going after one of them. If we had invaded Japan it would have been a bloodbath. It would be near impossible to secure an entire island of hostiles, not to mention the fighting conditions. Innocent people did get killed, but the death toll for both sides would have been much higher.

And just FYI, the Atomic Bombings weren't even the deadliest bombings of the war.

Edit:How did this get to WWII???

This is about 9/11 not World War II, get back on topic.

Mind=Blown.