9/11, time to forget?

The genocide of 120 million native Americans also had a profound effect on the world as we know it. As did the nuclear holocausts of Hiroshima and Nagasaki, and the murders of millions of Middle-Easterners. But hey, when we do it, it's a simple screw up - Collateral damage and all. When they do it, it is genocide and murder.

This thread turned into Captain Obvious Central in no time.

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9/11 was actually just a little error on the terrorists part, no need to sweat it, sheesh.

We have not killed millions of Middle-Easterners. We have had lots of collateral damage. Is that a screw-up? Yes. Is that Genocide? No. I do think that the Atom Bombings were the wrong to do, now that we have all the evidence. They were far worse than 9/11. Was what we did to the Native Americans wrong? Of course it was. THAT was genocide. That, in my opinion, is our darkest hour. However, we are supposed to be talking about not forgeting 9/11, and as I have said, No, we Americans should not. I have little more to say on this matter, and do not plan to say anything more on it.

The very idea of 'Collateral damage' is fucking sickening. These are people - Human beings! Mothers, fathers, sons, daughters, brothers and sisters - You either murdered those people, or you didn't - Don't try to excuse it with bullshit political terminology.

It may also be worth bringing up that by the logic in which our countries apply the term 'Collateral damage' one could easily argue the deaths on 9/11 as collateral damage. My point here is that you should accept that our countries murdered these people, or accept every death on 9/11 as non intended, and accidental.

We didn't intentionally kill those people! The very definition of murder is a killing with malicious intent! We did not have malicious intent. I'm not excusing their deaths, however you cannot call murder something that was completely not intended to happen. Now what has happened recentely in Afganistan with the shooting, that was murder. But what you are talking about are simple, tragic mistakes. I'm not at all trying to say that these events weren't tragic, but they were not murder.

Millions of middle easterners? you mean about one hundred thousand, yea this is bad and horrible but it was collateral damage, we did not target them on purpose. So the logic that the 9/11 deaths are collateral damage, is retarted. The goal of those attacks were to kill civilians, and in turn spread terror. We did not embark on terror campaign with the purpse of slaughtering civilians. If we really wanted to massacre civilians wholesale, we could of flattened citites and decimated the population.

Nuclear bombings of hiroshima ans nagasaki were, in Allied leaders minds at least, neccisary . We did not yet understand the long term effect a nulcear weapon would have, and a conventional invasion would have taken many more lives on both sides then the nukes ever could.

As for native american genocide, I agree it was horrendous and unforgivable crime. But in was differnt time, and back then we were hardly the only country to ever do anything like that, remember all those massacres the british commited in their colonies?

I agree.

Can you guys come up with any other argument other than the Native American one? I mean seriously. We are not trying to justify what happened to the Native Americans. We are truly sorry what we did to them. Is saying sorry gonna change what happened? No. However, we recognize that this is our darkest hour. I can say that US schools (well at least my school anyways) teach us about how evil and disgusting our actions against the Natives were.

Should we forget what happened to those Native Americans? Absolutely not! However, does what we did to the Native Americans mean we are not allowed to mourn the lost lives of 9/11? No way in hell.

Also, about the Middle East, I've got news for you guys: people die. People get caught in the cross fire. When you are fighting a terrorist group who purposely tries to blend in with the regular citizens, innocents are gonna get killed accidentally. The key word here is accidentally. Unlike Bin Laden and Al Quaeda and other terrorist groups, that target civilians as their victims, we dont try to kill civilians. Civilians get caught in the cross-fire. Civilians get mistaken for terrorists. It happens. If anything, we should be calling out the terrorists for the increased civilian death toll, specifically because they try to blend in with the regular citizens so it becomes harder to distinguish them.

Id love to know how you accidentally managed to kill 100 000 civilians. Being Amerifat is not a valid argument btw, even though it does make sense.

What is "Amerifat" supposed to even mean? Are you reduced to making fun of america in your arguement? I think Sly answers your question very well. When you're in urban environments, when you're fighting an enemy that is trying to blend in with the civilians, Guess what? People get killed.Here's the definition of murder, from the Merriam-Webster dictionary: the crime of unlawfully killing a person especially with malice aforethought. We did not have malice towards civilians.
Edit: Also, the number of civilians killed by us number less than 8,000 so please get your numbers right. Don't just spout out a massive number you pulled out of nowhere.

Making fun of Yanks is in no way my argument, I just know that it rustles your jimmies in the wrong way, and I enjoy knowing that it bothers you.

Murder, manslaughter, just as bad. Doesnt change the fact that after Amerifags invaded Iraq 100 000 innocent people have lost their lifes. Blaming it on "Oh, its just war, shit happens" is idiotic, not that I expected anything less.

The only thing I pull out of my ass is the occasional hamster, but that number didnt come from there, its from here.

Also, Id like to see your sources now.

Good source, but I was talking about Afganistan. Also, those deaths are not by us, that's overall. If you're going to blame the deaths of 100,000 people on us, make sure that it actually is by us, not just overall.
Edit: Unless of course you want to blame all the suicide bombings on us.

Do you people know what "collateral damage" and "minimizing casualties" means? It means they know for a fact innocents are going to die, and they do it anyways. Oh, but Americans before foreigners, right? We have to get them before they get us!

They were industrial targets. If we cried foul at everyone who ever killed a civilian dropping a bomb, than we'd have a lot of complaining to do.

The rest of us were talking about Iraq.

Nope, you didnt kill all those people, but the blood is on your hands. Just like how the planes on 9/11 propably killed around hundred people, and then the collapsing buildings killed the rest. It was thanks to the terrorists actions those people died, it was thanks to the Americunt invasion all those civilians died.

...Also, I fail to see the sources you linked, perhaps Im blind? Or perhaps it is indeed you who is pulling things out of your arse?

Did you expect us to know the immediate and long term effects of dropping the nuclear bomb when it had never been used before?

I just love the hypocracy of the US.
"We are there to help!... and to get revenge."
The fact of the matter is that, for all their 'international unity and cooperation' talk, they still hold their own citizens first and foremost just like every other country.
That is part of the reason that I admire China's 'China first' policy. Because it is honest and true. All the other countries will hide behind their 'world unity and harmony' BS.