Josef Stalin Declassified

If he did cause the famine in Ukraine, it was to kill people. Not to systematically exterminate all Ukrainians. The Ukrainians just happened to get the wrong end of the stick. That doesn't mean he specifically targeted the Ukrainians.

The dreadful famine that engulfed Ukraine, the northern Caucasus, and the lower Volga River area in 1932-1933 was the result of Joseph Stalin's policy of forced collectivization. The heaviest losses occurred in Ukraine, which had been the most productive agricultural area of the Soviet Union. Stalin was determined to crush all vestiges of Ukrainian nationalism. Thus, the famine was accompanied by a devastating purge of the Ukrainian intelligentsia and the Ukrainian Communist party itself. The famine broke the peasants' will to resist collectivization and left Ukraine politically, socially, and psychologically traumatized.
The policy of all-out collectivization instituted by Stalin in 1929 to finance industrialization had a disastrous effect on agricultural productivity. Nevertheless, in 1932 Stalin raised Ukraine's grain procurement quotas by forty-four percent. This meant that there would not be enough grain to feed the peasants, since Soviet law required that no grain from a collective farm could be given to the members of the farm until the government's quota was met. Stalin's decision and the methods used to implement it condemned millions of peasants to death by starvation. Party officials, with the aid of regular troops and secret police units, waged a merciless war of attrition against peasants who refused to give up their grain. Even indispensible seed grain was forcibly confiscated from peasant households. Any man, woman, or child caught taking even a handful of grain from a collective farm could be, and often was, executed or deported. Thosewho did not appear to be starving were often suspected of hoarding grain. Peasants were prevented from leaving their villages by the NKVD and a system of internal passports.
The death toll from the 1932-33 famine in Ukraine has been estimated between six million and seven million. According to a Soviet author, "Before they died, people often lost their senses and ceased to be human beings." Yet one of Stalin's lieutenants in Ukraine stated in 1933 that the famine was a great success. It showed the peasants "who is the master here. It cost millions of lives, but the collective farm system is here to stay."

ehi i asked if the video that sly posted was PBS(propaganda bullsh++) or if they had something to back that up(about the plan to destroy the west)

I was just saying what an article said.

ok no problem with that then anyway only 13 countries consider the Holodomor a genocide planned(or not) by the soviets to attack the ukrainian nationalism.

I'm gonna post the Ukrainian encyclopedia article again because deadtrap still hasn't found a good enough source to actually counter it.

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Care to try to counter all this?

I tried to cross examine his quotes with the wikipedia source and I dont think they were all from wikipedia but I'm probably wrong.

I would go with the enyclepedia on this one.

Stalin, this is a man who is.... controversial.

Now don't faint or take this out of context, but he is like George W. Bush. Why, because he may have been bad, but he was the best choice. There was no other leader at the time who could mobilize the USSR and get them marching to victory. However he had the drawback of being a corrupt man who caused one of the greatest holocausts of all time. This just makes it more sad that had anyone but him been chosen worse events would have happened. I relate him to Bush because he was a bad president, but Gore would have been worse. Therefor Bush was the right man at the time to lead. Stalin was the right man at the time to lead.

They didn't need Stalin, if he had never come to power the Union of Soviet Socialist Republics would have won a quicker victory.

You have to remember the purge of the army. He ordered almost all of the generals of the Soviet Union's military.