What Nation do You Hate the Most?

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  1. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    While slavery and exploitation are understandable from an industrial viewpoint, society will reject an idea such as slavery when their culture, scientific advances and technology develop, and start to take care of one another more and more.
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    I'd say it depends on cultural development. Germany wanted to make a huge slave camp out of entire eastern Europe. That's cultural development, but to another direction. Also Rome & Greece had big cultural development on slaves, not no abolish it, but to make system more efficient for everyone.
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  3. UnitRico Well-Known Member

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    Hmm, yes, that's true.
  4. Bart (Moderator) NKVD Channel Maintainer

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    But don't you think slavery is morally wrong?
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    Forcing (by force, blackmail...) anyone to do anything against their will is -in my opinion- morally wrong. Obviously that includes enslaving people.
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    What an interesting conversation we're having here!
    My views:
    1. I'd say that the ste of Africa is what it is not mainly because imperialism but because of how imperialism left Africa, they weren't ready and that why Africa is in disarray.
    2. I wouldn't blaim the Africans for being enslaved, I'd rather blaim the enviroment

    Also one of the biology teachers I know says: "Evolution is based on that the weak must suffer and the even weaker must die and only the winners survive! *points at himself*":D
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    I would like to point you to a documentary called "Guns, Germs and Steel". The reason that civilizations in Africa and other parts of the world couldn't thrive were because they didn't have the same resources like in Europe. Africans didn't have wheat, cattle, sheep, etc. This is why Europe was the one with great Empires, because they had these great resources to move on from the primitive ways of survival, once the flow of food and survival into towns becomes stable, people, without much concern of day-to-day survival, start to think and improve civilization, forming the basis of great empires. So out of pure luck Europe got all the good food resources. Although people's choices do affect the course of Civilization, Africans didn't have that luxury, they were still stuck in primitive day-to-day survival. So if nature had gone differently Africa could have been the breeding ground of Empires.

    Also I saw your comment about Islam being barbaric. Well I have many good friends who are Muslim and are not violent extremist who commit acts of terrorism. Instead I see them as very liberal and open minded about things. In my opinion Islam is going through a phase, such like Christianity did, of extremism. I think that that the clash of modernization and conservative Islamic beliefs will likely lead to a kind of 'reformation' in Islam which will probably lead to the creation of different denominations, some being progressive and others being 'traditional', kind of like the reformation of Christianity during the Renaissance. So I pretty much blame the fanaticism of some Muslims on fundamentalist who have lead them down a path of violence and intolerance.
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    Of course, the US' interference in the war isn't helping in progressing that progress.
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    Islam deserves all the criticism it gets and more, but you are confusing the religion (Islam) with people (Muslim). Islam is barbaric & violent religion -as is Christianity mind you- but there's rational people that belong in it. You don't see many Christians stoning gays or ones who work on Sundays to death despite bible advocating it. They are rational even if they belong in barbaric & violent religion as are (many) Muslims.
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    Well the west kinda has to blaim itself for Islamist fundamentalism, for example go to read stuff about Time magazine's man of the year 1951, Mohammed Mossadeq, who was the democraticly chosen prime minister of Iran and whom the Brits and the CIA couped thus ending democracy in middle-east.
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    Many organizations such as Al Quida were born in post colonial Egypt, which was result of western (colonial) influence. I would not blame west for fundamentalist Islam per say, but we've done good and bad regarding the issue.

    In post colonial Egypt people wanted their national identity. And when they took a look at what makes them what they are the only thing common was the religion: Islam. Thus was born the Muslim Brotherhood to preach the ways of Islam to everyone. So few years later there was this scumbag president, who was a corrupt sellout. So some people united to over throw him. It failed and these "rebels" were thrown into prison and tortured every day. One day a guard walks into a cell and starts spraying bullets everywhere. Survivors were carried into a hospital and there two men had a conversation, one says: "How can one Muslim do this to another?" and the other guy replies: "It's because they're not Muslims" That other guy was the great grand father of Al Quida...
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    It's Japan you SOB!!!!
    Chinese got reason to hate Japanese OK?
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    May I say Islam isn't a barbaric religion. It are the extremist who claim they do it for "Allah" but in fact they aren't. Islam actually means in Arabic "surrender to God". Islam created Algebra, Pharmacy schools, an improved astrolabe, Chemistry, etc. Islam I should say has done more good then wrong.
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    That's the culture, not the Islam itself. Not to mention that I entirely disagree with the "fact" the Islam is barbaric.
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    You got it wrong. They have rich culture, but Islam is the problem. Islam is savage & barbaric plague.
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    Sure, D3ad. They are all evil.
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    Not all of them. But most of them are.
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    I am just saying it brought a lot of good.
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    OK.......How does that say anything good about these 3 countries then?
  20. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    I didn't say that it was good for them, simply that the method is not working.

    Basically.
    Until they repent.
    Which we all know will never happen.

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