Obamacare's Birthday

I can, pretty much any idiot who brings up "rights" in matters regarding human gains.
That being said, society should seek to provide both the most convenient and efficient service in all areas of society's economy (healthcare, housing, ect) by whatever means possible/necessary. So long as those two presets (convenience and efficiency) are met across the board, neither you or anyone else will care what taxes you are or aren't paying.

I again say that this healthcare violates our right to keep what we earn.

It isn't that I don't support universal healthcare, it's that I don't support the current mess that is the American bureaucracy.

I don't believe there is such a right.

No more then I do.

"Rights" are irrelevant here. Obama's healthcare plan is a matter of national policy, and the subject of healthcare itself is a matter of human gains. All of this equates to something far more complicated then some simple notion that you have a right to the paper notes in your pocket.

I believe there is one. Think about it. If you worked very hard and you got where you are today and you earned a lot you would be happy. No off course you have your fair share to pay, but what if you have to take even more for something that the majority of this country does not want that could hurt you even more. Now my family for example is hurting from the current economy and gas prices and Obamacare adds more fuel to the fire. This is a democracy and the people have the power and the latest Rasmussen poll shows 54% are in favor of Obamacare's repeal. You have a right to keep what you earn and many people want to, but when it is taken and shipped to help millions of other people that you do not know you may feel bad. This issue is very emotional for me.

@Demondaze So if it violates constitutional rights like freedom of speech you are OK with having less freedom of speech. Your must like a state press.

Unlike you I frankly would not mind having to pay tax for healthcare, it reduces a big expense for their family has it is payed for by everyone not just you and your family. In the U.S> many families go into debt because of medical bills in Canada that wouldn't happen. There is also the aspect of if your helping yourself with the money you are helping someone who does.

Constitutional rights are privileges protected by the law, and it just so happens that the law (via the constitution both directly and indirectly) grants congress the right to interfere in matters related to the flow of commerce and business regulation. Ergo, Obama's healthcare plan is a matter of policy. Not rights.

Strawmen are the tools of emotionally driven irrationals with no legs of their own to stand on.

Just wanted to throw it out there that if you ever watched the BBC, or any other western state media service, you would realize that state press, if done right, is probably the fairest, and least biased media source you can get. I'm happy to trust state-sources like the BBC, or the Australian ABC over commercial media sources any day, despite how much I hate and despise those governments.

You where never actualy sick where you? I bet your perspective would drasticly change if you would be put into a situation where you or a loved one would be affected by this. You would get angry and ask yourself why people only care about the money instead of a prescious life. In my opinion a nation that let's the poor die of sickness so that the richer can have more, should never ever consider itself civilized again.

Also unrelated to you. I thought the USA is a nation under God (the christian one), isn't it kind of hypocritical that the heaviest opposition to any sort of healthcare reform is comming from the rightwing conservatives? What will Jesus say to them if they get in heaven?" good job down there helping people to keep a few dollaars instead of helping the ones that needed the help most". Shouldn't theese people support universal healthcare and a wellfare state way more?

And then you have state-media corporations like RT that ruin it.

RT is quite good when it comes to third party nations, especially so nations that Russia isn't friends with. When it comes to Russia or any of it's allies, it is a terrible, and horribly biased news organization. I'd be just as likely to trust fox news with American news as I would RT with Russian/Chinese/Iranian.

Say that when you go bankrupt.

Well, when over 50% of the population clearly wants the policy to not past because they know it will cause more harm than good do not pass it.

You WERE never actually sick were you?*

I have had loved ones affected by this and I have also had loved ones who were affected by losing money. You in a sense pay more money even with the free healthcare because even the patient has to pay extra taxes to.

To debate your issue on Christians, yes this nation was founded by Christians, but I also know that there are many diverse religions in this country. For example to me the lyrics of the Pledge of Allegiance should be preserved because 76% of the nation is at least Christian, but I also think that students who are not Christian should be allowed to say "under (their God, one of their Gods, or nothing of they are Atheists). Its a simple solution than having schools put in what they want like a mini-dictatorship.

It's not my policy, nor do I agree with it. I was simply stating that this isn't a matter of "rights" with the intent purpose of creating a trend towards a more constructive and engaging discussion.

I disagree for the fact that it lowers productivity and is used instead of a tax cutting program... Human rights have no say, for humanity has no right besides the right to pay taxes and die

Now that's just over doing it.

No, humans have to die one day or another... We cannot be gods! Haven't you seen miracle day? (torchwood)

And Obamacare will add more fire to the bankruptcy unless a conservative is put in office.