So I am just gunna come out and say it.

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by JosefVStalin, Mar 20, 2012.

  1. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Nobody thinks like that anymore, except backwoods rednecks. So how can our entire society be a patriarchy, when only a tiny minority think like that?
  2. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    When your entire society are built on job oppertunity and wealth, the discrimination that women face is of the utmost importance.

    Its not just an economic point. Its also a philisophical one.
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    so what other type of discrimination do they face besides the wage gap?
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    You miss the job one?
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    I figured that was included under wage gap.
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    Yay and nay.

    They are obviously related, but they are actually quite different.

    The discrimination of giving a women who works at say... Walmart 77c to a man's $1 is one thing, but when they are in something like the medical profession, the difference is bigger, but not as important.
    Basically [and these are just examples, not solid real numbers]:
    Walmart man: $50,000 a year
    Walmart woman: $ 38,500
    as opposed to:
    M.D. man: $175,000
    M.D. woman: $ 134, 750
    Basically, what I am saying is that, in a higher profession, the wage gap isn't as big a deal [in terms of practical application, not morals] since their basic needs can easily be met with the money, even lacking the full pay they diserve.

    The problem is that the job discrimination in some fields prevent them from getting those higher-pay jobs.
    In retrospect, considering the current deficiency [or approaching difficiency] in medical personnel in the near future, M.D.s are a bad example. Public office is probably a better example.

    Consider that of the 112 Justices that have served on the Supreme Court of the United States of America, only 4 have been women. And all of them have been elected in the last 50 years. The first by President Ronald Reagan. The second [Ruth Ginsburg] by President Clinton, and the new two ones [in succession] by President Obama.
    Literally, all four women are still alive and able to talk to one another. [The first one resigned and was replaced].
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    I blame the Illuminati.
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    The Justices is bad example. The problem is that justices serve for long periods of time, and say 50 years ago, women in many places were still heavily descriminated against. So considering how long judges serve, Is it that shocking that a majority female supreme court has not yet happened?
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    Try political leaders then.
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    There have been alot of female political leaders, certanly not as much as there have been men, but unless your talking about female presidents, I would say females certanly have had equal opportunity in government for a while.
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    Oppertunity can be judged by result.
    One would have to prove to me that they have less of a motivation to go into politics to convince me that the current gap in membership is not particially a result of a gender discrimination gap.
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    Those examples are all pretty damned significant. And I would disagree with females needing lesser amounts of money if they were to live alone than I do if I were to live alone.
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    If there is any discrimination against females(I doubt it), it is not in the government but in the populace, the voters. They vote for whatever canidate they want, so if there is a lack of female politicians(there are plenty of female poloticians today), it's because the voters did not elect female canidates, not the result of some patriarchy scheming from the shadows to opress all women.
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    Where it comes from is actually pretty irrelivent. The point is that they are discriminated against.
    The point was that women seeking higher professions face job discrimination, not necessarily that the wage gap in unimportant, just that the profession gap takes more of a priority.
    I didn't state that they needed less money, just that when their basic needs are met, the wage gap problem significance fades in contrast to the profession gap.
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    It is entirely relevant, you are arguing that the US government is a patriarchy, continously trying to opress women and keep them in the kitchens. The little discrimination that could exist, in the number of female politicians in that are in government, is the result of the voters, who elect the public officals not the government itself. There are plenty of female politicians today, and number is increasing as time goes on.

    So even if there are is some bias remaining in the populace, it is clearly decreasing as time goes on. I can't see how this can justifiably be called a patriarchy.
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    Whether the discrimination is coming from the people or from the government, my point remains that it is there, regardless of its origin.
    Potentically, yes, it is disappearing. But until it is gone, it is still there and therefore has to be acknowledged.
    Just because a problem starts going away is no reason to declare it suddenly non-existent.
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    My point is that whatever gender disrcination exists in the US is small and it is not at all one sided. The only examples you have brought up are the wage gap and employment. What about child custody, or the fact that domestic assualt comminted by women is treated almost like a joke? Whatever gender bias that does exist, goes both ways.
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    True, but the society is built on wages and employment, not child custody and domestic assault cases.
    Massively disproportionate in scale of importance.
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    As a Marxist Feminist I support this.
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