The Lakota Independence Movement

I agree with you here. A truly representative democracy values its citizens equally. Preferential treatment based on race is not exactly a good idea. However, this does not exclude appropriate compensation where it is required. I don't know enough about Native Americans, their genocide and mistreatment to decide that.

It's kind of like the Welsh independence movement. Literally no one but like 5 people actually think its an idea worth considering.

We conquered them, and now they're American. Native American culture is dead. Just like the English conquered the Welsh and now the Welsh are English. Welsh culture is dead.

LOL.

Ooooh i remember this part!!

Hope you know what you are doing Kara, last time this stunt didn't go too well did it?

I would like you to find one person who worships the "Great Spirit", speaks some Native American dialect, and runs around in traditional Native American clothing in a Native American style "town".

Every aspect of Native American culture is dead, dying, or commercialized for our amusement.

Just like, for instance, the Welsh or the Prussians. They're long gone.

The Prussians aren't gone they just don't live in Prussia anymore.

Also, you know cultures evolve right? Just because they dont live in teepee tents like they did 300 years ago does not mean their culture is anywhere near dead. That's like me saying American culture is dead and then as my proof ask you to find people that live like this:




And I could also tell you to go find an American who speaks old english.

Kara, I don't understand why you claim to be all Red when you maintain such basic ethnic prejudices. Native American culture is not dead, nor is Welsh culture. You're being willfully dense by making those claims. It's true that neither of these cultures are particularly important or progressive, but they are both active.

That doesn't mean that people who endorse those cultures are entitled to their own countries, no matter how many of their ancestors died at the hands of the pioneers of centuries past.

That would be quite difficult as no person who has ever lived on the North American continent has ever spoken Old English. The English of today is the same English employed by Washington, Jefferson, and Franklin.

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This seems very idealistic, and I just don't see it happening anytime soon. I have nothing aganist the Native Americans for trying to form their own nation, but I really don't see the US Government giving up land to the Native Americans.

What are you talking about? Prussian culture died out soon after the formation of the German Empire. If you really like to break down cultures, you could argue their North German, but even that hardly exists anymore. It's German.

Of course cultures evolve. They also die. Just like species evolve and die. Native American culture is one of those dead cultures. The Native Americans now share a similar religion, ideology, language, and culture as the United States. There's really nothing to seceded about.

Firstly, believing a culture has died out is by no means a prejudice itself. Let alone an ethnic prejudice. I have not even mentioned ethnicity yet.

Secondly, I don't think you yourself understand the implications of what your saying. How can I claim to be Red if I "have ethnic prejudices"? There's been plenty of Leftists with ethnic prejudices before.

Thirdly, how is my personal ideology even remotely connected to this debate?

Native Americans these days live like Americans. Welsh peoples these days live as Englishmen. Their cultures have been assimilated and thus have died out.

When the German Empire formed the regional identities didn't just go off and die. They still exist to this day. Just like the regional cultures didn't just die in Italy when it became a unified state. You can still find distinct differences in different groups of German people. Different dialects, foods, and art in separate German regions are all examples of this.

How is the government making them even shittier?

Unless you're going around labeling everyone with a different sandwich a culture, I suppose you could cut the nation in two as North German and South German. But there is no Bavarian dialect anymore, nor an Oldenburg style of art. Of course even a North German-South German split is a bit pushing it.

Believing that an obviously active culture is dead is ethnocentric, and ethnocentrism comes with innumerable prejudices.

"Native American" is an ethnicity.

And this is the first and only time that any of them will ever own up to it.

It's always connected to any debate you participate in.

As if this actually means something.

Sure they do.

The fact that this ridiculous proposal even exists is evidence to the contrary.

Native Americans eat American food, they wear American clothing, they partake in American entertainment. They think, act, and talk like Americans. It's not active.

At worse, if you believed Native American culture was still around, you would say I was mislabeling it. That is nothing to compare to ethnocentrism. Especially given I don't particularly like American culture as it is. In fact, I have said nothing about how I feel about Native American culture on a personal level. I merely said it was dead. For all you know, I could be hoping and praying for its glorious return.

And?

I don't know man, have you ever been to one of those white guilt meetings? They're basically all Liberal.

It may influence my decision making on most issues, but this debate should be considered a statement of fact. Not a weighing of options or the like.

If a people have given up their entire way of life to join another way of life, that's considered the end of a culture.

A few people pretending to have a different culture is not "evidence" that their culture exists. They're not even different from Americans. They'd just be living an American lifestyle in a Lakotan nation.

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You know full well that this is going to descend into everybody calling you a racist, right?

b-baka shukuhai...

Do you have memory loss or something?