Actually Good Healthcare Reform

Maybe some quotes from people I found will give your further reason not go like it:

"I wouldn't like to see America make the mistake Canadians have made...Patients in Canada are treated like Third World Citizens. Our healthcare system is like Cuba or North Korea."
-Lindsay McCreith (Brain Tumor Patient, Canada)

"This country would be nowhere without its elderly population. We have always worked and payed our taxes. It seems most unfair that we've got nothing at the end of it."
-Dawn Ford (Eye Disease Patient, UK)

"There should be somewhere closer. No patient with breast cancer should have to go on such a long journey, particularly when we are not feeling to go anyway."
-Muriel Buckley (Breast Cancer Patient, UK)

Here is a story:

Gerald Carroll, 46, of Kalgoorlie, Australia had chemotherapy for tumors in his jaw and behind his eye. After that treatment, he had a three-month wait for radiotherapy. "But in three months it took to get the stereotactic radiotherapy I needed, the tumor had grown too large to treat," Mr. Carroll said. "The radiotherapist referred me back to my oncologist. I've been on chemo since February and now's its reduced the tumor to a point where I can have radiation. I'm on the waiting list for stereotactic radiosurgery at this time."

At least we take care of our patients while it seems these countries have neglected several people.

http://www.biggovhealth.org/stories

No, and I do like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems
Check the US compared to Cuba...

Which is exactly why we need universal health care. A person who has payed taxes their entire life deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, and that includes free health care.

What does this have to do with the discussion?

Cool story bro, too bad it is a shitty example since I don't know anything about the Australian healh care system and thus can't comment on this case. If you want, I could provide horror stories from private-sector health care, but it seems pointless to me.

"Oh, I had wait 3 months to get an operation that was either heavily subsidized or Free. Oh the horror! This is the most unfair system I've ever seen!"

... Tell that to some poor American who can't afford to get an operation or treatment plan.

"No, and I do like it.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems
Check the US compared to Cuba..."

Actually the reason why the US is so far down is not because of its healthcare, that is a myth. The countries were evaluated by five factors. In things like expenditures the US ranks number one, but it so low because of the overall health of the population. Things like smoking and obesity are why we are ranked 37th.

"Which is exactly why we need universal health care. A person who has payed taxes their entire life deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, and that includes free health care."

I don't think you understand that the UK had universal healthcare and it is not working out for them. In fact in the UK's healthcare system, patients are denied medicines that could save their lives and the system there is filled with inequalities.

"What does this have to do with the discussion?"

It shows how unequal universal healthcare is there.

"Cool story bro, too bad it is a shitty example since I don't know anything about the Australian healh care system and thus can't comment on this case. If you want, I could provide horror stories from private-sector health care, but it seems pointless to me."

Australia has universal healthcare.

That's why most Canadians love their healthcare system right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/World_Health_Organization_ranking_of_health_systems
Check the US compared to Cuba..."

Actually the reason why the US is so far down is not because of its healthcare, that is a myth. The countries were evaluated by five factors. In things like expenditures the US ranks number one, but it so low because of the overall health of the population. Things like smoking and obesity are why we are ranked 37th.

"Which is exactly why we need universal health care. A person who has payed taxes their entire life deserves to be treated with dignity and respect, and that includes free health care."

I don't think you understand that the UK had universal healthcare and it is not working out for them. In fact in the UK's healthcare system, patients are denied medicines that could save their lives and the system there is filled with inequalities.

"What does this have to do with the discussion?"

It shows how unequal universal healthcare is there.

"Cool story bro, too bad it is a shitty example since I don't know anything about the Australian healh care system and thus can't comment on this case. If you want, I could provide horror stories from private-sector health care, but it seems pointless to me."

Australia has universal healthcare.

edit: This person maybe able to afford the much better American healthcare for a faster and speedy process to eliminate his cancer. It seems in countries that have universal healthcare they cannot even take care of people who could possibly afford it.

That is actually why several hate it.

http://www.gallup.com/poll/8056/healthcare-system-ratings-us-great-britain-canada.aspx

I know, I was just editing some things so I just decided to combine into one post. But look, people are dissatisfied with Canada's healthcare. That in fact ruined your argument.

How is it better to be exorbitantly over priced? How is better, if many common people fear using it? How it better when EMS Services can't even get the proper drugs on their turcks to treat their patients?

The reason why its faster is because we've turned the treatment of suffering and disease into a business! Your no longer a patient in the American Healthcare, your a client! A piece of meat that you have brown-nose to get your pay-check, this is not better! This is an organized, Profit-Drived, Insensitive morass of over-worked docters of nurses who could not care less for you, the individual.

Do you know why our system is rank so low compared to other industrialized nations, its because our system doesn't get what they need to treat us, it doesn't have enough personnel, and they don't even have the medicine to treat us in some areas.

I have already explained that the reason we are ranked 37th (which to my opinion is not so low out of over 100 countries) is because they also ranked things like obesity, alcoholics, and smokers which has nothing to do with out healthcare system, but there is more to a nation's health than the healthcare system. That healthcare system does not control what your drink, eat, or smoke.

Now it seems you do not understand the English language. Everyone knows when you are sick and in a hospital you are a patient.

According to Dictionary.com you are only a client in a welfare state.

Dictionary.com will help you:

pa·tient

   [pey-shuhnt] Show IPA

noun

1.

a person who is under medical care or treatment.

2.

a person or thing that undergoes some action.

3.

Archaic . a sufferer or victim.

cli·ent

   [klahy-uhnt] Show IPA

noun

1.

a person or group that uses the professional advice orservices of a lawyer, accountant, advertising agency,architect, etc.

2.

a person who is receiving the benefits, services, etc., of asocial welfare agency, a government bureau, etc.

Oh, I'm sorry. I didn't realize that when people are getting fucked over by a system supposed to help them because of the petty drive for fucking pieces of paper that the you can just blame it on the fat people, smokers, and heavy-drinkers.

"Oh we suck ass because of that fat-ass over there"

Its not like there's a shortage of over 100 drugs as listed by the FDA.

http://www.fda.gov/Drugs/DrugSafety/DrugShortages/ucm050792.htm

It was just talking about why we were given that ranking by WHO which ranked us 37. We were ranked number one in their test on expenditures and responsiveness to situations and the reason we were ranked more low than we really was because of people who obese and people who smoke.

And that goes to show how inefficient our healthcare system actually is (in regards to the Expenditures).

Responsiveness, I'll agree with that, I've seen our EMS system first-hand and for all that it has, its actually rather effective and efficient. However, you do realize that even with that expenditure rate, our EMS system is still increadibly shabby and is rapidly falling apart.

Ecspecially as many Conservates (AKA Republicans) have been pushing to cut the budgets going to such services.

But its better than a European system. I remember reading one story sometime ago where one lady had minor issues in her legs; she waited 14 hours and they were forced to amputate both her legs.

Oh the humanity!

Edit: And no, I'm not going to answer you.

If you looked closely, more people are satisfied with Canada's and Great Britain's healthcare than Americans are with theirs. In fact, in all three graphs the Americans have the highest rate of people very unsatisfied with their system, and in all three, Canada has the least amount of people that are very unsatisfied with their system. Also in all three, Canada has the most people who are satisfied with their system.

Also, of course people are gonna be dissatisfied with a certain healthcare system! Did you honestly think that I was saying Canada has a 100% approval rating?!

Yeah, but we are not talking about the United States, just other nations and their healthcare, but still if you wish t change the subject I can to and while the majority may not be satisfied with the current system, the majority also does not want Obamacare.

I do not see how healthcare decides how fat you should get or if your should smoke or not. Your make those choices.

You were trying to claim that universal healthcare does not work in other countries and that Canadian patients are treated like 3rd class citizens. I just showed you that Canada and Britain, both countries you said had terrible healthcare systems, have a much much much higher approval rating than the U.S. healthcare system.

Those citizens may have either not experienced the troubles of the system or are manipulated by their left wing media. Just because people support something those not mean that it is bad. *cough* Hitler and the Nazis' Support *cough*