Actually Good Healthcare Reform

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  1. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Lol. Last time I checked, Canada doesnt censor the news, and neither does Great Britain. Stop trying to compare them to Hitler.
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    Americans don't support the mandate, but they're about even about the bill as a whole. Politifact just graded one of Santorums claims about this if you want to check out their methodology.

    Well let's see, if all they can afford is fast food and soda, and they can't afford routine medical checkups, it stands to reason the kind of long term issues that plague the country (heart problems, etc) either arise or are exacerbated by all of this. Maybe there wouldn't be so much diabetes or heart attacks if people were getting regular checkups. Maybe the access to doctors advise would lead to healthier lifestyle choices (where able), and maybe earlier treatment would lead to less catastrophic cases...

    Also it's important to note that the UK and Canada have very different health care systems, so it wouldn't be wholly accurate to lump them together
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    Why? It is generally the same. While something maybe popular it may not be good for you.

    Meanwhile, the site RealClearPolitics, has averaged all the latest polls and they say:
    For Obamacare: 39.9%
    Oppose Obamacare: 49.6%

    They conduct an average of all the latest polls, one poll even shows support for the bill as low as 32%.

    Also, did you hear about this new thing? Its called exercise! Also as I have said many people in the United States are treated faster than their universal healthcare counterparts. Also, laziness may cause people to leech off the welfare nanny state system even if they can have a job.

    While the UK and Canada are somewhat different, they are still similar.
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    Many people can't exercise because they have to work most of the day / can't afford a gym membership / live in areas where exercise isn't possible (bad neighborhoods prevent jogging, lack of parks etc). I'm sure many people don't think their health is that bad, and then boom 20 years of neglect leads to these massive health issues. I'm suggesting, if these people didn't have to wait until they get a heart attack to see a doctor, their primary care physician might be able to convince them to make healthier lifestyle choices.

    Aggregates are a tricky thing in poling. The point I was making, is the majority of the backlash against Obamacare is the mandate portion. This is backed up by the data (if you look at specific poling data, it's mostly 60+% against the mandate, vs 45-55% against the legislation itself), and what it shows me is that people aren't necessarily against the concept, their just against the fact that government is forcing you to do something.
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    While something may be unpopular, it still may not be bad for you.
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    You do know that we live in an entire open society... not a fascist dictatiorship where you can be arrested for anything. Right? I mean, their is no propaganda. You righties are constantly raving about how the Liberial Media does this and Liberia Media does that... what Liberial Media?!

    Are you talking about NPR? The only remotely leftiest (their not even Left-leaning, their neutral) network in the United States? What do they do to brainwash people in thinking certain things are good and certain things are bad. Besides giving a bare balls summary on the matters at hand, they give you no opinion from themselves. If their is any such thing as propaganda, you should look at the Conservative media sources. If their not bashing Unions are calling attempts at self-sufficiency "COMMUNISTZ TERRORZ, their buzy counterfeiting shit about the Left and Moderates.
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    slydessertfox, Mar 31, 2012
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    Here are some vids from your good friends at MSNBC:







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    Once in a while yes, but I have more important things to do.
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    I hope you do know this is not news to us we know that news in America is extremely bias. Some of the fact that people say news is too liberal is that America has no idea what being a Liberal is.
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    Please don't tell me you actually agree with FOX news?
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    SOLAR PANELS ARE EBUL. GIVING POOR PEOPLE MEDICINE BRAINWASHES US. BIRTH CONTROL IS IMMORAL!
    LampRevolt, Apr 1, 2012
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    GIRLS WHO WANT BIRTHCONTROL ARE SLUTS!
    slydessertfox, Apr 1, 2012
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    YEAH OBVIOUSLY , I MEAN WOMEN CONTROLLING WHEN THEY HAVE A CHILD IS NOT AT ALL A EMPOWERING AND EQUALIZING FORCE FOR GENDER EQUALITY, NOR DOES BIRTH CONTROL ALLOW A MODERN SOCIETY DUAL-GENDER WORK FORCE OR SIMPLY PROVIDE A SAFE WAY FOR PEOPLE TO EXPRESS THEIR LOVE FOR ONE ANOTHER.

    We live in a world where people have to hide to make love but violence can take place in broad daylight - John Lennon
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    To bad your probably wrong. I have talked with a lot of people and they seem to know the difference between conservatives and liberals and moderates.

    I am a conservative, I have my own views that FOX News may or may not agree with.
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    Well I personally think since conservatives literally exist to stop change and slow progress they should probably shoot themselves.

    ^ That is an American TV network level of political bias.
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  16. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    WHat are your thoughts on global warming?
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    I am still somewhat undecided on the issue until more evidence comes to light.

    We don't want to stop change. We are i
    ndividuals who want change to happen naturally and gradually (rather than radically) and who base their lives on traditional values and principles which have been tested by both history and experience, rather than on theories which have not been tested, or if they have, have been proven to fail.
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    How are those traditions working out for you?
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    We want change to happen 'naturally' by clinging to old idea's. Fail.
    LampRevolt, Apr 1, 2012
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    Good.

    I did not say that. Being liberal your probably don't know big words, let me explain. We believe that change should happen over time and not rapidly, but we also like to base our lives on traditional values and principles.
    1Historygenius, Apr 1, 2012
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