Leftists and delusion

This is the thread for destroying the notions that leftists adhere to, in regards to certain historical figures. Leftists always sympathize with the crooks and degenerates and hold them up as martyrs towards their warped political ideas and demonize the clear headed traditional and cultured as evil.

I don't know how the idea came about that Guy Fawkes was an anarchist or sympathetic to anarchist causes. It seems to me that those who've just watched V for Vendetta are incapable of even doing a google search to see the true historical character Guy was and what he stood for. Do you wear those masks because you think Fawkes was anti establishment? If so that is retarded. Guy Fawkes just wanted a different establishment. Guy Fawkes was a Clerical Fascist.

Pacifist and anti-racists hail Gandhi up as a shining example of of tolerence and love? Are you unaware that Gandhi despised negroes and was an Indian supremacist? Think he's still an example of brotherly love? He also had contempt for lower caste Indians. Here is Gandhi's opinion on White nationalistic racial separation, Gandhi wrote in his Indian Opinion of September 24 1903

"We believe as much in the purity of race as we think they do, only we
believe that they would best serve these interests, which are as dear to us as to them, by advocating the purity of all races, and not one alone. We believe also that the white race of South Africa should be the predominating race."
- MK Gandhi, Indian Opinion, 24 September 1903


I have more examples to follow the first if from engels

[QUOTE"Let us consider the actual, worldly Jew -- not the Sabbath Jew, as Bauer does, but the everyday Jew. Let us not look for the secret of the Jew in his religion, but let us look for the secret of his religion in the real Jew. What is the secular basis of Judaism? Practical need, self-interest. What is the worldly religion of the Jew? Huckstering. What is his worldly God? Money. Very well then! Emancipation from huckstering and money, consequently from practical, real Jewry, would be the self-emancipation of our time.... We recognize in Jewry, therefore, a general present-time-oriented anti-social element, an element which through historical development -- to which in this harmful respect the Jews have zealously contributed -- has been brought to its present high level, at which it must necessarily dissolve itself. In the final analysis, the emancipation of the Jews is the emancipation of mankind from Jewry". ][/QUOTE]

Here is what the left wing hero Che Geuevara had to say on race and equality

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EDIT:
Victory.

EDITEDIT:
I finally got around to reading this.

You're dumb.

I've brought up the Guy Fawkes thing more times then I care to remember. Fucking V for Vendetta man.

And liked before Kali got here.

On the actual thread:
Consider this: Not all leftists are beholden to those who had come before them. There is no rule that a person must follow in the footsteps of those who went before them. Some come to their ideologies independently.
Also remember that no person was perfect and everybody who follows anybody worships [if such a word should be used in this case] the better of that person, not that person's evils.
They may acknowledge the evils of that person, but they still will hold all things in balence.

Also, forgive me if I do not hold your spliced quotes to bear all truth. I have seen too many times when people have only told part of the truth.
And let me put forth that the words of an individual can always be independent, indeed contradictory, of their actions.

Anyone who would openly insult Gandhi and his role in the Indian independence movement because of what he said forty-five years prior is doing nothing but demonstrating their own bigotry and unfounded hate of the man who is arguably the greatest hero of the 20th century.

I won't dignify a man, whose foremost pride is being a fascist, with a proper response to such a hypocritical quotation.

No respected individual whose commented on the matter has ever claimed that Che Guevara was not a racist.
However, some of us prefer to remember him for his role in Cuba, rather than the Congo.
Whether you like it or not, remembering him in that way isn't wrong. It's only preference.

I fail to see the racism in the Che's quotes.

You're joking, right?

I will absolutely insult the racist pedophile Ghandi. Just because the liberal education system teaches he was a saint doesn't make it so.

At least you'll concede he was a racist. As for remembering Cuba and not the Congo Che was a very questionable tactician. Out of all his revolutions only 1 succeeded.

I've read the same quoutes in Spanish, in English they have another connotation. From what I read, he just described what he saw, and even if you are "scandalized" because he said "black people don't take showers", he never said they deserve less. Not to mention that most of his brothers in arms (I couldn't find the proper term ) were black, and that there are so many pro-Che and anti-Che books out there, it's very hard to tell what's true and what's not.

Edit: I wanted to add that here, prejudice (is not the same as discrimination) against jews and people of color are pretty common.

You are a terrible troll. Stop being such a failure.

First, Fawkes could not be a fascist, since fascism did not even existed at the time.

And second, there is no such thing as "clerical fascism". Roger Griffin, one of the great political theorists about fascism, dismisses clerical fascism has something real, since fascism is secularist.

About Engels, yes, he was a racist, and Marx was also one (and more quotes to proove it exist).

But who wasn´t racist at the time? It was something very normal among Europeans, during the 19th century, an age of imperialism and colonialism (even between intelectuals).

If you want to criticize Ghandi, Engels or Marx, do it at least by trying to refute their political ideas by arguments, instead of attacking them personally.

And by speaking about their racism, you are being an hipocrite, since your yourself are one of them (a racist).

Okay a faschist debating that the the others are evil racist people who hate all other nationalities.Also calling black people negroes shows that you are the most non-racist member here.

Like crocve said (hey, because you are a libertarian doesn't mean I can't agree with you), Marx was very influenced by positivism. And if I learned something from Kuhn, you can't compare and criticize another times with actual times; although, of course, he talked about science, but you get the picture.

Once again, he just ignores people's posts.

I'm not attacking them for being racist. I'm merely pointing out the hypocrisy of the left. I'm pointing out that most left wing heroes had ideas that were the opposite of what you espouse but these guys get a free pass since they were liberals.

And suppose that all the rightests get free passes too?
Try reading my post. I am still waiting on a competant response.

My point is that there is a double standard when it comes to this. Someone on the right is immediately held under a microscope and every little word they say is used against them. Meanwhile left wingers get a complete pass. MLK is another great example. He was a known communist and womanizer but you'll never learn about that in our school systems.

That double standard tends to work both ways.
And yes, in that and only that, I agree that there is a double standard.

It doesn't really work both ways when the media and education systems are all controlled by the left.