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  1. crocve Well-Known Member

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    We use the name libertarians, because in America, we were once called ourselfs liberals. But when marxists and progressives in America started to use the term "liberal", in the 20th century, we had to reach another name, to not mess things up. That is why we, in America, started to use the term libertarian, or to be more correct to you, Austro-libertarians. So, if you accuse us of stealing the name "libertarian" from proudhounist socialism, you can´t forget that our ancient name (liberal) was stolen.

    And there is no irony. Because austro-libertarianism ideology is also revolutonary ideology, because a libertarian society never existed. And the ideology was created about 1 century after marxism. So, I think we know what is more revolutionary.

    You use the term market fundamentalists to define us? I must tell you that Maoist Rebel News is probably the best source for pathethicness.

    More non-sense.


    NO. The US should stop the sanctions and open diplomatic relations.
    Even more non-sense.


    OUCH! The last phrase was epic.
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  2. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    @crocve
    I was joking when I said we should invade Cuba. I'm a Liberal/Austro-Libertarian/American Libertarian/ Capitalist/ positive non-interventionist/minarchist too you know.
    And I thought you were portuguese? You are American?
  3. crocve Well-Known Member

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    No. I was talking that the followers of the austrian school in America call themselfs libertarians, because the progressives and marxists in America stoled the name liberal in the 20th century from the free-marketeers, and in response, the free-markeeters got the term "libertarian".

    Here in Europe, the term used for followers of the austrian school is "neo-liberals", since the ideals of the austrian school was built from the influence of classic liberalism.

    I said "we libertarians" because since I´m speaking to mostly north-americans, I have to use your terminology.
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  4. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Yes, I always cringe when somebody calls a dirty leftist a liberal. It's insulting.
    And I see you've also discover how to properly quote someone.
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  7. crocve Well-Known Member

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  8. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    In any case, no we didn't steal your name "liberal". Liberal is a massive umbrella term and socialists don't even call ourselves liberals. Democrats stole the name liberal if anyone did.
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    The fact is that "liberal" is often associated with "leftist" in America and that is bullshit.
  10. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    Your right, it is bullshit. But its not like we stole it. As a socialist, I don't want to be called a liberal, because thats not true about me. I'm more left than any liberal.
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    You aren't a socialist, you're a centrist, stop saying you are.
  12. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    No, I am a socialist. Where are you getting that I'm a centrist from?
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    You claim you wish to mix Socialism and Capitalism, which, although idiotic and nonsensical, is also known as centrism. You are not a socialist, you are a socialist wannabe. Absorbed into the red culture. It's a shame really. If you are going to hold centrist beliefs, at least admit them for what they are.
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  14. General Mosh Citystates Founder!

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    You misunderstand completely. I certainly am a socialist. I just am not Marxist or Stalinist. Socialists don't have to believe in total control of the government. I believe in freedoms, and elements of capitalism, but I still want a primarily Socialist government. A government with free healthcare, food, housing, transportation. In fact the only part of capitalism I wish to preserve is small and medium businesses. But the government will control the monopolies. Because private ownership just creates a massive divide between people, which is why I also believe in making an official ethnicity, called humans. People will not be discriminated because we will get rid of any recognition of ethnic and gender differences. In fact, the only thing that you will matter with people is age.
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    The term left libertarianism isn't as common place as anarchism these days. People who identify themselves as libertarians within the present context are generally minarchists and market-fundamentalists.

    Fucking lost it right about here. 10/10

    Blame agriculture.
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  16. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Wouldn't a better alternative to a predominately socialist government with minor elements of capitalism all around be a fully capitalist government that allows people to set up internal socialist communities if they so chose? Then, you could set up a commune with your form of government, and anybody who doesn't want it simply doesn't have to have it.

    You know, as opposed to forcing a system on people.
  17. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    Well that wouldn't be any fun now would it?
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  18. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Not for the closet Stalinists, no.
    Also, @General Mosh
    At one point you claimed you were a Socialist, but not a Marxist. Now I know you don't know what you're talking about.
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    That sort of thing starts civil war.
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  20. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    It's do able, Marxism is only one of the big four. Though Mosh has modern social democracy + adolescent naivety written all over him.
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