At what point was Nazi Germany doomed to defeat?

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At what point was Nazi Germany doomed to defeat?

From the very beginning (Fall, 1939) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
From the defeat in the Battle of Britain (Summer, 1940) 3 vote(s) 5.6%
From the beginning of the invasion of Russia (Summer, 1941) 12 vote(s) 22.2%
From the failure to capture Moscow/American Entry into the War (Winter, 1941) 19 vote(s) 35.2%
From the defeats at Stalingad and El Alamein (Fall, 1942) 10 vote(s) 18.5%
From the defeat in Tunisia (Spring, 1943) 0 vote(s) 0.0%
From the beginning of effective strategic bombing (1943) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
From the defeat at Kursk (Summer, 1943) 6 vote(s) 11.1%
From D-Day (Summer, 1944) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
From the defeat at the Battle of the Bulge (Winter, 1944) 1 vote(s) 1.9%
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  1. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Yeah! They don't want us to know that the Russian commie government was actually a puppet of the Brazilians!
    slydessertfox, Apr 10, 2012
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  2. Daddy92 Well-Known Member

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    you re wrong, the ussr was controlled by aliens that came from brazil.
    Daddy92, Apr 10, 2012
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  3. LampRevolt Well-Known Member

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    So what battles were you in on?
    LampRevolt, Apr 10, 2012
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  4. Kali The World's Best Communist

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    Jeez, everyone's voting so early in the war. Stop and consider what people thought back then. Germany was an unstoppable force who never got their asses handed to them, even when they lost. The momentum of the conflict is far more important than anything else, and I think most of the war historians have agreed that Kursk was the true turning point of the war. Recognize that even with Stalingrad, Germany was fighting on Soviet turf. They were geared up for offense, and had they succeeded at Kursk I think they would have more than had the momentum necessary to drive the Soviets back again. Now, American entry into the war was a critical factor in Germany's ultimate defeat, but to claim that they were doomed from '41 is just preposterous. As well, people give way too little credit to the industrial capacity of Nazi Germany.
    Kali, Apr 11, 2012
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  5. Achtung Kommunisten! Well-Known Member

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    To be fair, it was never used to its fullest from what I can tell. Either that or Speer had a very unsubtle creative accountant.
    Achtung Kommunisten!, Apr 11, 2012
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  6. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Didn't Hitler keep it at peacetime levels throughout the war?
    slydessertfox, Apr 11, 2012
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  7. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    I'm probably wrong but I don't even think they nationalized industry, they just supplied a demand to the German arms manufacturers.
    The Shaw, Apr 11, 2012
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    It was Kursk. The Germans still had the troops and tanks to start an offensive so why not there? The Soviets has not been successful to defeat the Germans yet even after Stalingrad. The problem at Kursk was that Hitler gave the order to late. He wanted to wait for the new tigers to come up and this gave the Soviets the edge in the battle because they found out about the offensive and set up a series of defensive lines as well as a large amount of troops and tanks in reserve. Erich von Manstein commanded the southern pincer of the offensive and he did not want to wait for the tigers and he was probably right. Had Hitler not delayed the offensive the German probably had a better chance to succeed.
    1Historygenius, Apr 12, 2012
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  9. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Yeah, Hitler is notorious for being a horrible strategist, and not listening to his Generals.
    Fun fact: the two people Hitler admired most, Luddendorf and Mussolini, both despised him greatly.
    The Shaw, Apr 12, 2012
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    One thing I hate is when sometimes I hear on documentaries about Napoleon Bonaparte, "Just like Hitler over a hundred years later, Napoleon wanted to conquer the world." Napoleon was know Hitler and at least he had better justification to take Russia than "Communism is bad so let's invade them!" which I a sure was Hitler's mind set.
    1Historygenius, Apr 12, 2012
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  11. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Hitler was a Slavophobe.
    The Shaw, Apr 12, 2012
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  12. 1Historygenius Member

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    Very true
    1Historygenius, Apr 12, 2012
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  13. Shisno Doesn't know who did this

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    How is Napoleon at all like Hitler. Nappy didn't butcher millions of innocents, or make death camps where minorities were sent to their death. Besides, Nappy was an actual general, and sane for the most part. Hitler went a little crazy at times.
    Shisno, Apr 12, 2012
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  14. 1Historygenius Member

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    Agreed, but tell that to this documentary:

    1Historygenius, Apr 12, 2012
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  15. Shisno Doesn't know who did this

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    Well, they only really relate him to Hitler in the fact they both wanted to dominate Hitler (although some can argue that Hitler's motive was mass murdering minorities), but I still find it strange they relate him to Hitler. It is like they are saying that Nappy was just as horrible as Hitler.
    Shisno, Apr 12, 2012
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  16. Sokol-1 Well-Known Member

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    I've always hated it when people compare things or people to Hitler in an argument; Politicians do it, the news media uses it, It's just a weak argument in my opinion
    Sokol-1, Apr 12, 2012
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  17. Shisno Doesn't know who did this

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    Agreed.
    Shisno, Apr 12, 2012
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  18. freeman12 Well-Known Member

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    Personally i think that the failure in the battle of Britain was to blame for the beginning of the end for Germany. Because simply put the amount of planes used by the Luftwaffe would have put a strain on the already diminishing of German oil supplies while basically handing oil over to the Brits. this failure was probably what caused Hitler to invade the Soviet Union in the first place because he had to replace the lost aircraft used and more oil which the Soviets would have an abundance of.
    freeman12, Apr 13, 2012
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  19. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    Reading this thread I kind of want the ghost of AJP Taylor to haunt this forum. Reminding everyone, "nothing is inevitable until it happens".
    MayorEmanuel, Apr 13, 2012
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