Ancient History

Stilicho was everywhere at once. He had nearly crushed all the strife and civil war, beat back the giant barbarian invasion with a few thousand men, passified Alaric, and even brought him over to his side, and only had one more obstacle to overcome, and that was triumphing over Constantine (the usurper in Gaul and Britain) (who he had actually known in person before Constantine rose to power). He nearly completely united the empire, but was killed due to the large anti-German sentiment that was being spewed up. Alaric actually became the new master general, and would have continued down Stilicho's road, if he had not been deemed an enemy of the state by Rome.

Anyway, I think the ROman Empire truly fell beyond saving with the sacking of Rome in 410. Before this when Stilicho was in power and when ALaric was suceeding him, the hope to save the Western half of the Roman Empires could never have been higher, and the prospects had not been as bright as it was at that point in a long time. After the sacking, Rome was never the same.

Yep not whole lot it didn't contribute, but enough to get a mention, and worth arguing for

Have to double post

Watch this shit, number 3 especially, SO Romans were first in America, bloody interesting wouldn't you say

@yuri2045 and @Yarpen check this shit out, about your history

http://www.cracked.com/article_19769_5-baffling-discoveries-that-prove-history-books-are-wrong.html

Its not news for me that the Romans traded with tribes in Mauretania, which is the farthest west place in Africa, so I wouldn't be surprised if roman traders ever came here, although they would simply die when they reached Brazil because our lands were full of cannibal tribes, lol.
Also there's lots of accounts of the Chinese reaching South America much before Columbus.

Gavin Menzies?

I know there are accounts, but names I don't know. =)

He wrote a book about that.

Aliens, obviously. Duh

Maybe there was an adventurous captain how like "Yo Octavius, fuck Neptun, let's sail that way", so he sailed in his trireme to Brazil and then died in a storm. The End (lol?)

There aren't storms that take out boats like that in Brazil from what I know...so they probably got killed by native cannibals, lol.

In case they landed, then yeah, pretty much the natives and the local flora/fauna. With storm I didn't mean an epic tornado with lightnings and cows flying around Any storm can seriously damage a ship, and if the crew is tired and etc, shit happens. (I'm reading a lot from Patrick O'Brian lately)

If they did cross the entire ocean with Triremes, I pretty much doubt they would give up because of a storm. =P

I mentioned something about the Romans reaching America in a thread I made way back and everyone laughed at that idea.

Also, @thelisener , I bought How Rome Fell and Caesar: Life of A Colossus by Adrian Goldsworthy. Do you know if they are good books?

I've seen a video from an university class somewhere in Spain, explaining that Rome fell, apparently, because of socialism (the teacher is a neoliberal and austrian economist, that explains it all)

http://es.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jesús_Huerta_de_Soto That's the guy

It fell because of socialism?! *facepalm*

I don't know if there is an English version out there, and I don't feel like translating

*gets you in hynosis*. Now when you read this post, you will translate everything word for word.

Hell yeah, they are good books

Cool. Can't wait to read them. (I have to finish a few other books first).

Bitch please, that only works if you are Dutch.

Todo mundo sabe que os latino americanos vão conquistar o mundo, deixe que eles aprendam e traduzam as nossas palavras...GO LATIN AMERICA!!!