Religion in American society

He used a laser machine, it was just one the size of a pen he kept concealed in his robe!

Can a mod please fix the spelling of "society"?

POKE THE WOUND OF CHRIST.

Yeah, that's been pissing me off every time I go to this thread...which is a lot lately.

He was advanced enough to cure a man's blindness with equipment as large as a fingernail, but couldn't free himself from a wooden fucking cross? I'm not having it!

So I'm not the only one who's bothered by it?

George Carlin agrees with atheists, everyone else's argument is invalid.

No, he is not atheist. He is religious. He worships the sun

That's because another man from the future killed him to avoid damage in the space-time. Yes, I have a very big imagination.

HES RIGHT!!!!!!

Quite big indeed. Write a book about it and say it's a new religion. You'll be loaded, just look at Scientology.

First of all: I never blamed christianity for the existence of HIV, I blamed the Pope for letting it spread under his followers, without remorse.

@General Mosh
I like your recalculation, an I am willing to reduce a bit for the sake of the argument and to account for some random fluctuations to lets say 65.000 children. Would you consider 65.000 chldren to be infected every year because an old ex-Nazi (in before shitstorm, he was!) of a man demands his followers to obey to his/gods will, a tragic scandal, mass murder or just an old man, stating his opinion?
I also want to thank @slydessertfox for the helpful maps, that show that the region in question, namely Sub-Saharan Africa, is mainly populated by christian denominations.

@GeneralofCarthage
I didn't wanted to drag you in here, since I was done with you, really! Also, by all accounts, you are not a catholic if you disagree in fundamental points with the pope. I know this shit, because I was a catholic when i was brought up.

EDIT: Also sorry that i am popping back in 3 pages later, but I can't feed my family with debating theists on a forum called josefvstalin.com xD

I blame his followers for listening to the old man.

Read above. And I agree with the estimate of 65000 children per year. But that is a small fraction of the number of people infected with AIDS.

And the area in question also has barely any Muslims. So it obviously follows that the Islamic faith fights HIV throughout the world.

So its the followers fault for believing something they are told from theire birth is true and can not be denied or you will burn for eternity in a place called hell where Lucifer will torture you and your family. Yes, I can see how it's theire fault.

Again, from your point of view, is 65000 a tragic number or just some random number that doesnt really matter, seeing that this perfectly created world has suffering allready?
Personally, I think that even if only one child is saved from infection if the catholic church would decide, to not only allow those people to use condoms, but actively encourage it, is worth it. And until they do, I will tell them and everyone what a sorry bunch of mass murderes they are. Regardless what believers would think about it. It's your religion (if someone here is actually catholic), deal with it!

You miss the point that one religion forbids the use of condoms while the other, namely Islam, allows contraception like stated here or here and in other sources you can easily look up by using google.

Its their fault for letting people tell them what to believe and not opening their eyes and saying, "Hey, this is wrong, this could get me killed". You said yourself you were raised as a Catholic, its obviously not impossible to see what's wrong. Or maybe, like GOC does, you could follow the vague guidelines of the Pope and interpret the rest of what he says as you see fit, because if the Bible (God's book) can be interpreted, then why can't the Pope (God's mouthpiece) also be interpreted?

65,000 is a tragic number, but not large or significant in the grand scheme of things.

So that obviously means Catholics are murderers and Muslims are saviors, right?

It can be questioned IF you are well educated and have access to enough books and philosophical texts like we "Western" countries have. But that is a luxury that the poorest region int the world can not have for them selves. They are hardly able to feed themselves. It is not a coincidence that people with higher education tend to be more sceptic.

Would you put a cult leader on trial, who let his 65000 followers drink poison and let them look at the antidot while they were dying but forbid to drink it?

No. It shows that condoms can prevent the spread of HIV AND that the leaders of Islam have recognized it. As stated in the links I gave, it is allowed for muslims tro use them to stop spreading of diseases. A point of view that is absolutley the right thing to do, and something that the catholic church fails to see or, even worse, deliberately ignores.

If you can't feed yourself, you should be less inclined to believe in a loving god, not more inclined. Also, if you can't feed yourself, then you probably couldn't afford condoms either. Finally, if you can't feed yourself, you probably live in a poor African village and barely know who the pope is, besides whatever the local mission says.

This isn't the same thing. Also, isn't the pope against pre-marital sex and divorces? So, technically, you should only have sex with one person in your life, and unless that person has AIDS from birth, you have a zero percent chance of contracting HIV.

I don't really think the Islamic leaders and Imams are thinking about HIV when they think about condoms....

I don't particulary like all this Christian bashing on the Internet, because i'm Christian and blah blah blah, but note this:
Christian churches in America are dying out. Maybe you're happy, if you dislike faith, but I don't care. I live in a wealthy area, so people don't need "faith and crud", so there's many agnostics or athiests in my area. Churches expand in non-Western places, but not in America much at all. So expect in 30-50 years an athiest president, or even before one not of the Christian faith. I don't like how politicians say "I was chosen by da Lord to be Mayor of Midwestern City!" I'm going to avoid my personal beliefs here, but religous conservatives won't be an important a vote as other groups in the long run for politics (which I don't find interesting as much as other things anyways). Because their children won't go to church anymore.

Thats crap, cause history shows that the poorer a country the more religious they are. Like this graphic of a Gallup study shows. This has to do with education aswell, since the higher the education, the higher the income. Kind of funny that the United States are the one major exception to this correlation.
Also, there are many charities worldwide that give away condoms in these regions, so while availabilty is a question, it is not impossible to get some if you want to and are allowed to.

Also, I would like if you would try to stzop spweting shit out that is not true and easily refutable. Please look thing sup before posting it!

There are other ways of contracting HIV in the first place, but that is not the issue. The issue is, that the head of the church denies them the use of the thing sthat wpuld protect them from getting infected in the way most get infected. That is not the wirk of a man who apparently loves his followers. He just doesn't give a shit.

Read the Links. It actually is written there that use of condoms is especially allowed for preventation of spread of disease. Read it damn it! Or i stop bothering giving sources to you -.-

Yeah, by injecting used needles into yourself by someone who has HIV or putting HIV blood inside of your body.

That isn't that hard to avoid.

Not in clean hospitals in america, I'm sure. Just wtach a nice video from Medics without Borders or something, and you will see that the circumstances in the poorest region in the world are quite different. So basically no, it is NOT that easy to avoid it, or else we wouldn't have over 30 million people worldwide infectes with it.