Renewed Occupy movement?

Conflict happens. As I understand it, a lot of ass-backwards tribes in the third world actually have gotten the right of property ownership over their ancestral lands as a result of this particular conflict.

Yes but how is this a negative? Exploitation is the act either of extracting value from or using something in the process of attaining value. Not exploiting the environment sounds more like the negative.

They have, but a lot of them haven't either. It would be nice if we could recognize that sometimes human life is more valuable than material gains.

Exploiting our environment is okay if you're doing it in a sustainable way. But, unfortunately, it is almost never done in a sustainable way, and many companies don't even try.

That isn't one individual. That is a palm oil company.

Which is run by one individual who is seeking material wealth.

It is definitely more than one person.

But its still run by one individual. He highers many other individuals to carry out duties like, gather his wealth, advertise his wealth, and manage his wealth. But he is still the owner and founder of the company. That doesn't mean he is the CEO, but he is still the owner/founder.

You aren't talking about exploiting the environment, your're talking about destroying the environment. That's correctable via a number of methods, the most immediate being a proper code of business regulation that adheres to principles of justice by not valuing the motives of one individual over another.

Doesn't matter. A company is an entity full of human beings, not a single person. I might be wrong here, but when Kali said,

I don't think he meant corporations.

The quote had nothing to do with your argument, just about the whole occupy movement.

Maybe you could have clarified and said: "In response to the whole occupy movement"

If it was that easy to correct don't you think we would have done it by now? The CEO of a company tends to be valued more than the poor native who just lost his land because the CEO wanted some more palm oil.

Its still run by one guy or a few guys. I don't think the average worker in the company really cares to know where the palm oil is coming from or why they are logging trees. They just care about their next paycheck. And also, Kali said "men". "the individual wants and needs of individual men". A corporation is made up of a bunch of men who have individual wants and needs. But to get those individual wants and needs, they need to destroy the entire native community in a certain area.

Clearly the local government is shit then. Also, why are so focused on poor natives?

We all know this.

Because that was the first example for me to think of off the top of my head, and the most common one.

That makes me wish that I'd seen even a minute of it. Damn.

Ask the red menace. It's their longest and proudest tradition.

Yeah sure, try telling that to all the "greater good" fanatics who take every opportunity to deprive individuals of their property and liberty.

It was a response to both D3VIL and your posts. The implication of your statement is that man has to sacrifice for "the community", which is a truly revolting sentiment.

@ComradeLer, can you farm dirt? If so, do you like doing it?

What isn't truly revolting to you Kali? Cause it seems anything that is good for humanity as a whole in any way is bad.

If you stopped watching~th video, then you don´t have the right to criticize it in such a manner.

Right. But as I said, it's a group of individuals. Not an individual. So individuals, not corporations, actually don't do any significant damage to the environment on their own.

The wants of an individual in the US or Europe often negatively effect the needs of an individual in Africa or Asia. And its people like Kali that think that's okay.

Okay. And whose fault do you think that is? Also, you're talking to me. Don't use that as a chance to take jabs at someone else.

Its the fault of people in the first world who think they can just clap their hands and get something and have no effect on the world as a whole.

The main point we are arguing about is our interpretations of Kali's statement. I think that gives me the right to take a few jabs.