I give up on America.

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by TheRedHeadGamer, May 9, 2012.

  1. DukeofAwesome Well-Known Member

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    Most of your links are screwed up.
  2. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Yeah I know. You can just go to 270towin.com to see for yourself.
  3. Shisno Doesn't know who did this

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    BUT WERE TO LAZY!!!
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    I know what a primary is, but usually there aren't primaries for the " ruling " party when the president is running for re-election.
  6. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    O.0 Double post tsk tsk.
  7. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Basically under Obama care you can be covered by your parents insurance until 25. This means that your parents can elect to pay (or work out some under the table deal with you) for your health insurance under whatever plan they have. Before Obama care the cap was either 22 or 23 (idea being that when you graduate college, you have to get your own insurance) before you had to start paying yourself. Personally I pay my own health insurance through my school, which runs $1601 a year, which is really cheap despite being a 24 year old in great shape that doesn't smoke. I've never had to use my insurance thankfully, so I'm not 100% on everything it covers. However, I do know that I have a $35 copay for regular visits, and $100 copay if I have to go to the ER. This means that whatever that visit costs I only pay that amount, and the insurance picks up the rest of it. No with this my normal copay would go up if I don't go to a hospital on a list of "preferred providers". Now, because Aetna (a really big insurance company) is behind my plan, the list of hospitals is pretty big, so it's not a huge issue, but it would be an issue for smaller or more localized insurance companies.

    In addition to all that, there's extra copays for different things I may need to get done at the hospital (ie, $10 xray fee, $15 lab fee, etc) and a cap on how much they're willing to pay before I have to pay for the rest of it. Further, if I have a hospital/intensive care stay or a follow on visit with a specialist, they're only going to pay 80% of that cost, if I use their preferred list (50% if I don't), and I would pay the difference. Amazingly (most policies don't cover this) they pay for 100% of ambulance costs, which are rather expensive. In terms of therapy (physical therapy, speech therapy, etc) I get between 20 / 36 sessions per annum, at no expense to me other then the copay. There is a lot of different charges for different types of procedures, but generally they pay 80% of the bill as long as I use a facility on their list.

    Now once I'm no longer a student I'll have to get insurance through my employer (even if employers don't pay for your insurance, generally in salaried positions they have agreements with health care providers to offer different packages to their employees) or by myself. This will be a lot more money then what I pay now (for me it's between $33-200 a month, but again I'm a healthy young male with no history of health complications and no dependents), but I would get a lot better copays, rates and caps.

    Not sure if you guys can see this, as I had to login to get to the page, but here's the brochure for my plan if you guys want to learn a little more about how American health insurance works:
    https://www.aetnastudenthealth.com/schools/ArizonaState/brochure1112.pdf
    The information on copays and caps is on pages 14-20
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    Why is Nebraska purple?
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    Aliens.

    I don't know undisputed perhaps?
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    West Virginian logic:
    Hmmmmh...Should I vote for this O-ba-ma guy who wants to stabilize the economy n' wanted to give all of us 'mericans healthcare that was gurrenteed to give medical help for a coupla bucks,but he wants to give queers murrige rights???!!!! Okay fuck that gay sheet,rather vote for a guy inprisoned for extortion.
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    You should anyways go to the doctor twice per year at least, to check that everything is in order.
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    This is a rather strange graph I found.

    It seems to suggest that, even though Americans have to fund their own healthcare, they seem to spend more on it than any other country in the world.
    Surely this can't be entirely down to obesity rates, can it? What do you guys make of this?


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  13. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    I might be making myself look like an idiot here, but since it says per capita, doesn't it mean average cost per person? That would mean it's the average amount a person spends on their healthcare per year I believe.

    I'm probably completely wrong though.
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    Well in America if you think about it health proffesionals make no where near enough money and those poor insurance companies what would they do without us.

    Sooooo Sad.
  15. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Is dental insurance included in health insurance or is it seperate?
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    You are right in so much that per capita does mean per person.

    But I'm not sure you understood what I was trying to say, perhaps I did not put it so well.

    What I meant was that, according to this graph, the average American spends more on healthcare in their life than any other nationality. I was simply wondering why that is the case.
    It could potentially be that by having nationalised healthcare, it becomes cheaper overall than insurance-funded healthcare, as ones healthcare is then not interested in making a profit.
    But I don't know the answer to this, so was wondering what the forum in general thought of the graph, and what it says.
  17. slydessertfox Total War Branch Head

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    Private companies tend to charge more than actual governments maybe?
  18. JosefVStalin El Presidente

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    I see, so wouldn't you rather not have to worry about all that? Even if taxes and to be increased on you $1500 (which is virtually unheard of.) You would still be saving $100 a year.
  19. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Usually it's separate, but on my plan I get basic dental work.

    Oh I'm a firm believer in universal healthcare. It's borderline sickening to me that the most powerful nation the world has ever seen doesn't provide this basic function for its citizens
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  20. Yarpen Well-Known Member

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    Guys don't worry, within 7 years I (hope) will be medic. 5 years later I will have my own office, and you guys will be attended for FREE!!!

    Oh you thought I was serious? Nah, I would charge you 6 times the regular pacient. And you probably will be dead by 2024.

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