Banning Pr0n

I'm sorry but what? This is what I don't get about you, you praise the freedom of choice in America and then advocate censorship and restriction of said freedoms. I fail to see how your parents telling you the Vietnamese government would shoot you for pornography has anything to do with this discussion and considering how against them you are, using that as a defense of your point that porn should be banned makes no sense. Finally I doubt most porn stars enjoy it as much as it looks like they do, it's just a job to them but they do have to do some pretty nasty things. If you want to argue from that point it makes more sense but saying that because they get pleasure on the job while some other occupations do not is why I am against it is also a poor stance to take and surely that is not the only job someone could enjoy and gain some form of pleasure from.

That sure is a strange conclusion.

Yeah, we noticed.

Well, I hadn't seen this yet...

Anyway, not a single sane government will shoot people for making or watching pornography. Anyway, blindly believing what your parents, or anyone, for that matter, tell you is never a good idea.

Also, that last sentence makes no sense. Is it not a good thing that people get to make money doing something they love doing?

Listen Chelsea,
I praise the freedom that the United States offer I also follow rules of honor and morality, porn degrades yourself to let other people think your a whore or slut. Degrading yourself is shameful and who wants to live in a world of shame? That is why the Vietnamese government did what it did in the 70s-80s, its better now but you know. I find porn harmful to people because you might become addicted or do something stupid with your girlfriend. I am just saying I live in a land of freedom and want to protect this land and the people from any harm. How I do this I voice my opinion which I love and others would die for this choice. Advocating censorship is sometimes necessary to protect our freedom, the idea of pure speech and freely obscene content is quite impossible. Sometimes emotions might take over us and people might do something stupid, so anyway I love the idea of freedom of speech which is mix with morality and honor. You might think honor is overrated, but to me its means quite a lot in my life. While My parents don't support porn because its harmful to you because you know. As a logical person when I was young I listened, I fear this might be harmful for future children like drugs. I am not Conservative ( I am moderate) but I keep my promise and honor, I am sure you can understand honor. Also the ideal of porn stars they get paid to have sex which no matter what they are experience pleasure , that is how our human anatomy works when people have sex they experience some type of pleasure/stimuli which makes them happy. Being a porn star could be hard work but your just getting people horny for money taking advantage of their lust and I don't support that, in fact I am against it. So yeah here is my just a jest of my reason!

You don't have to be happy to work for your job (it is preferred) as long you make decent pay.....you know porn star can't be the business forever unless you prove me wrong . Point is happy or not they make money for getting people horny.....like Jersey Shore

Now, I won't go into how honour can only hold humanity back and is generally a pitiful excuse, but it has little to do with porn anyway. The same goes for morality (unless, of course, the pornography includes things that are forbidden, like child pornography or bestiality. Sex is not a crime, why should recording it be?).

No, that's what the taboo on it does.

Again, only the taboo is responsible for this. Having sex isn't shameful, nor is it when there are other people in the room voluntarily. So, why would it be if it was recorded?

Vietnam still doesn't sound like much of a great place to be.

Right, but then again, just about anything can make you addicted if you use/do it too much. Too much is never good.

Like, what, have sex?

What the hell are you talking about? Voicing your opinion gets people killed, yet you do it because you want to protect your country?

No, censorship is against freedom.

With enough taboos, yes, it is.

Which is far from exclusive from porn. Heck, I'd say your beloved honour makes people do stupid things as well, that generally don't work out for them. But it's okay, it was the honourable thing to do, even though in the end it was a disaster. Oh well.

Then it would have censorship, and it wouldn't be freedom of speech.

No, it simply is.

So is drinking too much water in too little time. Heck, drinking water is probably more harmful than watching pornography.

Watching pornography isn't going to get anyone killed.

I get what it is, I don't get why people hopelessly cling to the horribly outdated idea of it.

So your work has to make you feel terrible?

And that's a bad thing?

They're not taking advantage of anything. People can choose to watch it or not. Do people and companies who make food take advantage of people feeling hungry and getting satisfaction from good food?

Exactly. It's preferred. Many people (quite a few teachers, for example) don't have their job for the money, but rather because they enjoy doing it. There's this thing called charity work, you know.

You're making the claim, so you bring the evidence. Not to mention pornographic imagery has been around for millennia,

Yes, and as I said, food companies make money for people's pleasure as well. What's your point?

I doubt anyone gets a boner from Jersey Shore. I doubt anyone actually takes that show seriously. Those who do probably lack the brain cells to understand this entire discussion anyway.

I'm just baffled by the level of poor grammar, and I don't understand most of the arguments. If you're an American, you should/must be better at speaking and writing English, and I would appretiate if you looked through your posts before posting them, as it would make them much easier to understand.
Now I could probably try to counter you, but it's not like that's going to convince you, since you seem determined to ignore any arguments presented against your point of view...

How could someone be against such a wide and creative industry as porn? It's good for entertainment, satisfying sexual desire and much more. Wide access of porn does also help make the state more free and less oppressed by strange morals. And porn itself doesn't have any negative effect, it has actually shown to have positive effects. There is of course the strange fetish porn and I understand that most people want to avoid it and avoiding it is pretty easy.
Personally I have never met anyone against porn.

Nuff said.

I don't think there is such a thing as pr0n. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Link strikes again *facepalm* almost sad but mostly pathetic.

I assume you're talking about the fool responsible for this, and not myself.

I don't know man, sexism can be pretty useful sometimes. I would have never been able to ironman FONV without the help of misogyny.

I lost my argument reading down these comments. I feel dumber after reading this thread.

I am both strongly opposed to all forms of internet censorship and the Porn Industry.

The Issue is not 'Porn on the net'. The issues are
1. Internet censorship and all associated consequences, and
2. The Porn Industry and all associated consequences.

Hence, the argument can be generally deduced to two extremities. Either their exists some content on the internet that is so extreme that it needs to be censored or that there are some practices in the Porn industry that are so extreme that they need to be stopped.

To keep this argument simple (And do forgive me for resorting to such an argument) I will use Child pornography as an example as something we can all agree is wrong (I hope). Does this warrant legal and state imposed actions to prevent an industry that profits out of the sexual misappropriation of minors? It certainly does.

Now, does it also warrant the censorship of all content related to child pornography on the net?

My argument is as follows - Censorship of such content does little to stop the perpetrators of the crime. In fact, it does quite the opposite - censorship of such content serves to hide the perpetrators of the crime. This is precisely why child-abuse survivor organizations are so strongly opposed to censorship of child-abuse content on the internet.

On a side note - this is why the argument to be made against organizations like the MPAA (who use child porn as a reason to censor the net in the fight against piracy) is that they are supporters of child pornographers - not the contrary.

Given the above, my stance is that their needs to be serious social policies and laws that crack down on all forms of Pornography in the Porn Industry that involve:

A) Violence, exploitation or degradation against women (and men, transgendered people, animals, dead people etc).
B) Promoting values of misogyny, decadence and immaturity towards sexuality.
C) Taking advantage of people's privacy or their ignorance as to what will be done with the pornographic material.
D) Taking advantage of the sexuality of consumers of Pornography in the form of advertising dollars or direct payment.

Further to this, in order for such action to be effective, it is imperative that the internet is not censored in order to identify the culprits of the Porn Industry that create such pornography.

If I'm reading that correctly, it sounds somewhat...contradictory.

Meaning that either said practises that are shown in the content are downright illegal, and should be punished regardless of whether the material is censored.

So you want to make an entire industry illegal because of what is created and spread by sick and lunatic individuals that aren't affiliated with said industry? I doubt you'll find any child pornography on professional porn sites or in pornographic magazines.

After the makers have been dealt with, yes.

Of course, only taking down child porn without actually trying to find out who made it makes no sense.

I get your point, but I don't think "supporters" is the word to describe it.

So you basically want to ban fetishism. Good luck with that.
As for the C thing, if people are fucking idiots and don't see the harm in being taped while having sex, it's their own damn fault.

Censoring the internet doesn't mean you won't be able to find out who was behind the content. That is, if you do it right.

Your an asshole, honor is an idea that will live for centuries to come, I can conclude that you love to watch porn and you fear people might take porn away from you. Fuck porn and you. Sorry, but never tell me honor is overrated, you have no shame. Why do you disgrace yourself, everybody has honor like a heart and now I will strip you from what honor you have asshole.

Lol

Seriously you seem to need shock therapy. There is no such thing as ''honor'' it is just something humans use to say how much better than others they are. And stripping someone of honor is retarded because it's only the person himself that can say how much ''honor'' they have. Because it's an individual system of self entitlement.

FUCK YOU TOO, people have die for this ideal and you know some of my family members have died for honor, so you would not understand this asswipe. An example ; marines they are not better than anyone else, but they have honor because they fight for our freedom. You are a cynical bastard !

-My father was a honorable man.
-How so?
-He took a bullet to the head. But he shot the one who took him down.
-Oh so the one he took with him died honorable too?
-No he was an asshole because he wasn't nearly as ''honorable'' as my father!
And that is how retarded honor is in every way. People that needs honor to feel that they have accomplished something are actually very egoistic in many ways.

You will never understand enough said asshole. So what is valor, courage, or even duty to you?