A question isolationism vs intervention?

Oh I know there's a lot of corruption in Mexico, but I was referring to him talking about the parties. Now what he says may be completely true, but unless he provides facts ect. and start using a more neutral language, I can't rely on what he's saying.

I gave facts the PRN, has ruled for 70 years, felipe calderon has been criticized for his inaction against the drug lords and northern immigration, what other facts do you want I will gladly oblige.

Wasn't really referring to the whole 70 years, but the "PAN has proved itself to be inept and useless with felipe calderon. The PRI or there former selves have rigged elections for 70 years" thing.
A lot of politicians get criticized for their actions(or inactions) by political opponents.

Not with the money they're making on the illegal drug trade. We're talking a lot of cash, and keeping "militias" in Mexico is relatively cheap and easily financed.

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Militias are no match for the federal police, also militia is not what the drug lords use. They use mercenaries, or kidnapped children.
Also calderon wasn't criticized by his opponents alone he was also criticized by the people themselves, the zapatismo liberation army even tried to make a play In chiapas and he didn't do anything.

They use kidnapped children... doesn't that seem a bit wierd and stupid? I mean arming your hostage is not exactly the best way of surviving...
I know that they use mercenaries, but the difference between a merc and a militiaman/irregular is blurred in Mexico.

Again, can't say anything about that, but the drug war has escalated during his tenure, so he must have done something that upset the status quo or angered the cartels.

Okay I'm going to be as neutral as possible with my answers, because his party have the most governors in the country also the party is well liked because of its policies, but they never fully carry them out.

The hostages they take are high value targets thy force people to serve in there armies, and your right mercenaries and irregular forces are the same.


When it comes to calderon, he started the the drug war and that Heavily.disrupted the status quo for the good part, however the cartels have been fighting federal forces for more then 20 years.

So is there any recent poling in Mexico on what people are going to vote for, though I expect the PRI to win in the upcoming elections, though this shell be the most interesting elections this year which outcomes will effect not only the future of Mexico, but the future of the United States.

Here are some wikipedia based opinion polls.

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_general_election,_2012#section_3

Well I wouldn't call starting a actual war on the drug cartels inaction, so I can't see where you get that from. It's not like he can wave a wand around and destroy the cartels. If you want to do it the hard, violent way, it's going to take a lot of time, and although I disagree with the Mexican and US governments approaches to the problems, I can't help but somewhat admire their determination.

The only people i admire are the federal forces, they have been fighting for 20 years without presidential support until one president used them to save his parties candidacy for reelection, he didn't start it. All he did was publicize it to the world what he could have done is grant more funding to the federalis, get new equipment training and manpower, people live in fear of the cartels, and all the president did was announce it to the world.

Shit the people we don't want to win are winning.

They have been fir the last 70 years at first I actually supported calderon and the PAN, but I lost faith in them. Hell people Re even strting to want the PRI back, personally I'm rooting for the PRD, they have the vision for Mexico.

I honestly don't know much about the Mexican parties at the current moment, though from I have been told and what I have read, there is no reason to support the corrupt PRI, the PAN might win maybe and I'm not sure on the PRD, I'm going to read more on the elections and anticipated the results.

http://forums.somethingawful.com/showthread.php?threadid=3483171
http://www.azcentral.com/news/articles/2012/03/08/20120308mexican-election-may-shift-drug-war.html

Or they could just legalize soft drugs...

I'm glad I'm not the only one who believes in the PRD and knows the PRI are scum and the PAN are inept, Mi Hermanos *Heart*.

The candidate for the PRD might do that however he never openly stated it. He is very pro legal.

So if America intervened, you would become a rebel Romulus?

Perhaps you will find Betty Boom, or Marco Moreno "Flame of the Revolution", to help you.

No no no. I will move to Mexico and join the federal police and if America tries anything dicey, then yes I will rebel.

on legalizing drugs woudn't the cartels still have a strangle hold on that industry? They would be able to scare off competitors and make themselves legitamate as simply as and they would just end up corporate mexicio runned by wild old drug barons...catch my rant?