Taiwan Sovereignty

So the Tibetans and Turkics in the west of China should decide the sovereignty of the Han and Indonesians in Taiwan?

They ought to have independence too!

Imperial sees the world through racial lenses. He cannot fathom the idea that his favorite nation doesn't have any right to determine the sovereignty of a separate, independent nation that has a majority population belonging to the same race. "Chinese people" supposedly have the right to tell citizens of Taiwan whether or not they're allowed to have a government.

Under the doctrine of popular sovereignty, absolutely.
However, it only definitely applies to the Tibetans.

In the northwest, the Mongolians, Turkics, Tajiks, and Tungusics don't really have any unifying call like the Tibetans do.
The Tibetans who are most entirely Buddhist rally to their belief and the Dalai Lama to forge a nation, but the various cultures north of them don't have anything like that to bind them.
For centuries, they've been ruled by the ethnic Chinese cultures to the east and that's how its always been for them.
There's also the issue of the Kashmir region though. While there is a small and weak want for sovereignty in the area, no one there can bring the people in the region to a unified state.
Instead, China, India, and Pakistan try to strong-arm their way into controlling the area and the Taliban destroys any infrastructure produced in Kashmir by Western humanitarian organizations, all of which leaves it in a constant state of poverty and conflict.

Creating greater ethnic states never ends well, Imperial. It isn't a Chinese matter, it's a matter of self-determination. While recent electoral results in Taiwan show that most of them would still like to see the ROC rule over all of China, the sizable minority would like to be independent, while almost none of them want to be a mere province of the PRC. And the PRC has in the past threatened Taiwan out of declaring independence. The PRC is not above forcing them to keep a claim on all of China, as they refuse to acknowledge that people on Taiwan see themselves as independent from China.

I expect that in the near future Taiwan will declare independence and seek independence, probably around the same time North Korea pushes our patience past the breaking point and get's it's ass invaded.

While the Peoples Republic would disagree with you, Taiwan is and always has been an independent state.

The difference between them is Taiwan has a real government and them..ehh

Well, since the civil war anyway, before that they were always dependent on other empires. But they have yet to declare independence as the PRC has consistently warned against it and the Kuomintang remains the leader of Taiwanese politics. So officially, no they are not independent, they are a belligerent in an undecided Chinese Civil War, and that's the way the PRC wants it.

Sure sure, don't want to create unnatural states.

The Republic pre-dates the Peoples Republic by about 35 years.
The Government in charge of Taiwan today is the same government that controlled China in 1911.

As long U.S.A. backs Taiwan no invasion.

I find that really insulting are talking about the Qing or the new found republic?

Believe me, a lot of Taiwanese would love to change that, but the KMT just doesn't want to talk about it.

Wait you from Taiwan?

What?

But before 1945, Taiwan was part of Japan.

That's the sad truth, we can't change our constitution without the PRC making huge threats.

你可以了解中國呢?

I am saying that Taiwan can not be invade in the near future unless U.S.A. stops beings it ally, and in 1911 that is when the a republic in China was formed.

That is what the Chinese people think because we are Chinese and as a race being divide is not favorites among the Chinese.

I think that there is some confusion as to my position.
Let me try to clarify some things:

Either they unify or they don't. A choice needs to be made, one that can be sustained. Therefore, a vote is needed.

The vote needs to be done seperately, but the purpose is the same.
The mainlanders and islanders both need to decide whether they want to continue to pursue reunification.
If they chose not to, then they need to end their charade and stop making claims to the land of the other.

Short of military power, a country cannot stop another from forming a government and a seperate state.
So a vote or claim on the legitimacy of a Taiwanese government from the mainland is pointless.
So no, Chives, the vote will not have Tibetans choosing the fates of Taiwanese. Not directly choosing, anyways.

Is Taiwan a soverign nation?
There is no doubt to the answer: yes.
Does the island of Taiwan have the right to be independent?
A ridiculous question. Might makes right and it always has.
Whether or not the mainland likes it, the islanders can make their government (which they have) and claim independence so long as they feel safe to do so. It is just not the responsibility of the mainland to make them comfortable. Whether other nations choose to acknowledge the new nation is a seperate matter. If the foreign nations want to deal with the backlash from the mainland for dealing with a province attempting to go independent, then that is their decision.

Edit: Since Pottman has given me some things to work off on:

Hmm... that isn't my experience, but parhaps you are right.

That the KMT and the CPC don't talk about it with their people is a problem, which is why I think that a vote needs to be called over whether they should continue to support reunification.

Much as it greives me, I believe that if the vote was passed, enough people would vote to stop efforts to reunify (on both sides) to actually end the effort.
But, as I said, I support their decision, whatever it is.

Is it just me, or has Imperial contradicted himself?

nah let a sleeping dog lie for the two countries

I'm talking about the Republic of China