Taiwan Sovereignty

okay, sorry : p

Quite possibly.
Its late and I'm supposed to being doing something else, technically.

I think that the summary of what I was trying to say was:
1) Need a vote.
2) Vote would probably end in seperation, which makes me go: .
3) Idea of 'right' is a tad bit ridiculous. On both sides.
4) Overall, I support a majority decision, regardless of what it is.

But then, like I said, its late.

really?

My one confusion is whether you want the decision to be up to the Taiwanese people, or all the people of China. You previously stated the latter, but then contradicted it.

It up to the Chinese people!

Well, they're all Chinese people. I'll assume you meant 'mainlanders" from the PRC, as well as Taiwanese from the ROC. But why, and how, should the people of the PRC decide the fate of the island of Taiwan, even if all of them want independence?

I was talking about the whole Chinese population.

So all the Chinese diaspora around the world and all the regional minorities in the PRC?

Yup

Which is racist, and incorrect. I do not deny that Imperial thinks that way. I think he's made it quite clear, several times on the forums, that he only cares about his race, not the country or ideology it belongs to. While he's free to think that, he's also incredibly bigoted and, in my opinion, a truly twisted human being.

Assigning traits to a group of people based on something as arbitrary as the place they were born in or the color of their skin is atrocious, and it's thinking like that that allows the abomination that is the PRC to exist. Imperial does not deny he's a racist. In fact, he thinks everyone is and should be racist, "at least a little bit". While it's probably true that everyone understands and acknowledges the existence of racial/ethnic stereotypes, only a select few actually think there's any merit behind them. Again, he's free to think like that, but it in no way absolves him of criticism or the scorn of rational, decent people.

No one but the people of Taiwan have any right to determine the government of Taiwan, and to think that because there is a shared racial majority in China that its citizens are somehow allowed to have any say in the matter, is undeniably racist, and truly abhorrent.

That would be unfair, really. If there is a vote, it should be the Taiwanese who get to decide anything, and not the entire Chinese diaspora.

Of course Taiwan should remain independent. God this is like when the Argies get uppity about the Falklands. Drives me mad, and they come up with the same bullshit arguments as to why they should rule over the place that the PRC et al. do when it comes to Taiwan. Is it so hard to accept that in the most basic, practical terms the only people who have a say in this are the Taiwanese. Y'know, the people that actually live there? i.e. the only ones who are going to be seriously affected by the issue.

But the Argentinians are punks, while the PRC has nukes and lots of missiles. Plus everyone wants to do business with them, even us Taiwanese.

Going to war over Taiwan would be political suicide and would only result in a massive failure since any invasion would be opposed by the US.

... So the people living there doesn't really have the final say in the matter? You know a little thing called self-determination?

Taiwan should have a right to pick there own overindulgent, though god forbid they vote to rejoin the mainland.

This reminds me of the megali idea, however The Ottomans were not Greek.

Say what!!!! Everything I know is a lie, a lie I tell you.

Well the megali idea was to save the Minority greek people in anatolia but it was all nationalist rhetoric because they werent oppressed.

But it's a necessary step to reforming the Byzantine Empire.

Let's leave that to Victoria 2.