Mitt Romney did not won the GOP nomination

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  1. ComradeQueso Active Member

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    So basically anyone who doesn't agree with you or Ron Paul is a zombie of the media, mmm....?
  2. crocve Well-Known Member

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    No. Those who believe in the unreal results of the delegate count, that the lying media presents.
  3. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    Yes, some of the delegates are unbound. However, due to the fact the the United States is intended to be a democracy most of the delegates are bound to the results of a popular vote.
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    And as I showed using your own link, they are bound to vote for Mitt Romney in the first ballot. If he [Romney] doesn't win on the first ballot, then those delegates are unbound. But Romney has enough delegates to win on the first ballot.
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    Why do you even bother, when indulgence in the degradation of lesser creatures is infinitely more fun?
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  6. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Here is a good summery debunking everything you have said...

    These people haven't had many numbers to twist in the last few weeks as it gave Romney his rightful delegate count in Texas and elsewhere. They have for some reason not updated the "map" for the primaries that were on-going last night. I am not going to hold my breath. What really strikes me about the site is that while Greenpapers does not want any donations, this site asks for them. Embedded with sneaky popups that force you to close a "please register here to create you own map" link has me, someone who works in the technology field scratching his head and concluding that this is a legit scam! I'm not even going to mention the video youtube link to some guy claiming that he knows what Rule 38 really means... Isn't that parroting the MSM?

    Now, onto the math. Which I have done!

    Rick Santorum Wins Louisiana: 20 National Convention Delegates are allocated proportionally according to the total statewide primary vote. The number of delegates bound to those candidates receiving 25% or more of the state wide vote is [20 delegates] × [candidate vote] ÷ [total statewide vote] rounded to the nearest whole number (rounding rules to handle too many or too few delegates are not known). Louisiana Republican Delegation 2012

    Rick Santorum Got 10 delegates in Louisiana. Romney got 5. 5 were uncommitted. Real Delegate Count States Ron Paul wins 27 of 49 Delegates. Romney wins 19. But there seems to be some confusion on the Real Delegate Count blog that it does not address. In fact, it doesn’t even link to this website since it has an obvious negative view of Ron Paul supporters. This site here: Ron Paul supporters dominate Louisiana's Republican presidential caucuses | NOLA.com tells a different story. “As a result, under party rules, Paul is guaranteed at least 17 of the 46 delegates to the convention at which Romney will almost certainly be nominated for president.” So you see there were not 49 delegates at stake. There were 46. It helps to have your facts right at first. Furthermore, the Real Delegate Count site magically gives Ron Paul 10 more delegates out of their butts! I guess they figure Rick Santorum Delegates, which are bound to him in Louisiana, are going to go to Paul.

    It appears however, that Rick Santorum is keeping all of his bound delegates with him because yes, he too wants a speaking role at the convention. And yes, he too, is playing the delegate game. Since he too, technically never dropped out of the race, he just “suspended it.”

    RealClearPolitics - Politics - Apr 20, 2012 - Santorum's Ala. delegates will unite with nominee

    Santorum: I Won't Give Up My Delegates

    Romney Wins Nevada: 28 National Convention delegates are proportionally bound to Presidential contenders based on today's caucus vote.A 3.57% threshold is required in order for a contender to be allocated delegates [1 / 28 delegates = 3.57%].For those candidates receiving 3.57% or more of the vote: The number of delegates = 28 × (candidate's popular vote) ÷ (total statewide vote). Nevada Republican Delegation 2012

    So based on that math Romney got 20 Delegates and Ron Paul got 8 in the caucus. At the state convention in May, Paul supporters upset the Romney campaign by gathering 22 of the 25 national delegates. “However, Republican rules require the first vote at the national convention to reflect the results of the Feb. 4 caucus, which Romney easily won. That means 20 of Nevada’s national delegates must vote for Romney, while eight will be free to vote for Paul in the first balloting. While some Paul supporters voiced an intention to challenge the binding requirement, the campaign opted not to further antagonize the Republican National Committee, who has threatened not to seat the delegates if they ignore the caucus results and vote for Paul.” Ron Paul supporters capture majority of Nevada's national delegates - Sunday, May 6, 2012 | 9:38 a.m. - Las Vegas Sun

    Another blow to the Paul campaign is this, “The scenario is different in Nevada, where the state's Feb. 4 contest was binding. Some Paul delegates told the Associated Press this weekend they will adhere to party rules and support Romney this summer despite the convention's outcome.” Ron Paul wins Maine, Nevada delegates. But what does it mean? | The Ticket - Yahoo! News
    Ron Paul Wins Maine: It states clearly on the greenpapers site that no national delegates are binding and it does not necessarily have to match the popular vote. However, they said this, “We will allocate the state's unbound 21 non-party leader delegates proportionally according to the popular vote for those candidates receiving 5% or more of the vote. This is a very rough estimate and will change by the time the state convention meets.”

    On the second day of Maine’s convention which was held Sunday May 6, 2012 the delegates were elected. 6 district delegates are elected by caucus participants from each of Maine's 2 Congressional districts. These delegates will attend the Republican National Convention officially unbound to any Presidential candidate.
    CD 1: 3
    CD 2: 3
    15 delegates are elected by the Maine State Convention as a whole. These delegates will attend the Republican National Convention officially unbound.3 party leaders, the National Committeeman, the National Committeewoman, and the chairman of the Maine's Republican Party, will attend the convention as unbound delegates by virtue of their position.

    Greenpapers confirms that Ron Paul did in fact win the Main GOP Primary, and 21 delegates are awarded to him. Romney gained 2 delegates. 1 was uncommitted. Ron Paul spent the most amount of time, money, and effort in this state and was virtually unchallenged by the Romney campaign until they noticed Paul’s plan late Friday.
    Maine Republican Delegation 2012

    Romney Wins Arizona: All of 29 of Arizona's delegates to the Republican National Convention are pledged to the presidential contender receiving the greatest number of votes in the Arizona Presidential Primary. Arizona Republican Delegation 2012 Despite attempts to boo Mitt Romney’s son off the stage at the Arizona Campaign and for them to elect someone else as head of the State GOP, Out of nine congressional districts, Ron Paul’s delegates won two positions, one each in CD 1 and 5. Platform Republicans, pledged to support the party’s nominee, won the other seven seats. Although Arizona is a winner-take-all state –with all of the state’s 29 national delegates allotted to a single candidate — we took a hit when the state decided to schedule the primary before March 6. AZ GOP Convention: Paulbots resort to chaos & UPDATE « Seeing Red AZ

    Rick Santorum Wins Oklahoma: Tuesday 6 March 2012: 40 of 43 of Oklahoma's delegates to the Republican National Convention are allocated to presidential contenders in today's Oklahoma Presidential Primary. [Rule 18(h)]
    Oklahoma Republican Delegation 2012 Ron Paul supporters again caused trouble at the state convention in OK where they tried to push through their own slate to support Ron Paul delegates, but failed to get enough votes. They booed one time Presidential Candidate Tim Pawlenty off the stage and got into more fights with Romney supporters. In response the convention delegates worked together to select a slate of delegates to and alternates to go to the national convention. The Real Delegate Count blog is obviously on the Paul supporters’ side and somehow believes that there’s was the official slate!
    Oklahoma Republicans elect delegates to national convention | NewsOK.com

    Romney wins more Colorado Delegates: The Real Delegate Count site claims that Ron Paul had 18 Delegates supporting him at the Colorado state convention. But that was a rumor! What really happened was that Romney gained more delegates in Colorado. “To the relief of Romey backers, eight of the 12 at-large delegate slots, and six of the 12 at-large alternate slots went to Romney supporters. Former Congressman Bob Beauprez and former U.S. Sen. Hank Brown, both Romney supporters, were the top two vote getters.” Colorado Republicans split delegate votes between Romney, unified Paul and Santorum supporters - The Denver Post

    Since no National Convention delegates are bound to Presidential contenders, the Precinct Caucuses do not violate the RNC's Tuesday 6 March 2012 timing rule. Colorado Republican Delegation 2012
    Romney wins Texas and enough Delegates to Secure the Nomination: 152 of Texas's 155 delegates to the Republican National Convention are bound to presidential contenders in today's Texas Presidential Primary. [General Rules for All Conventions and Meetings. Rule 38. Section 8. f.]

    The Texas Republican State Convention convenes in Fort Worth where the National Convention delegates are elected according to the results of the primary. [General Rules for All Conventions and Meetings. Rule 38. Sections 6, 7, 8, 9] Delegates are elected by Presidential Preference from the Congressional districts in which their candidate received the highest percentage of the vote, providing the candidate received 20% or more of the vote

    National Convention delegates are bound for the 1st ballot unless "released from the pledge only in the event of death, withdrawal, or by decision of the candidate" [General Rules for all Conventions and Meetings. Section 10.b.1 and Emergency SREC meeting on 29 February 2012].
    Texas Republican Delegation 2012

    I can go on all day about how wrong the blog, Real Delegate Count is. But the truth of the matter is very easy to look up for yourself!
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    Go Rick Go!
  8. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Rick Perry doesn't always win, but he makes sure he fucks some shit up before he looses.
  9. crocve Well-Known Member

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    RickPerryLover, you are full of non-sense.
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  11. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Yes, that is the best rebuttal you have in your arsenal. I am sure of it. I will never rise from the agony of this defeat.
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  12. Yarpen Well-Known Member

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    I'm not reading that, but fuck it, Rick is right.
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    Yeah. General Bonaparte is right. Crocve, just admit defeat.
  14. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Now you guys got it. Text blocks always win.
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  16. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Well this misconception has been cleared up. I think it is time to be locked unless there is anything to disprove the new evidence.
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    There is no need to lock it there is nothing wrong if there is nothing new the thread will just go into obscurity.
  18. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    Okay, I'll let it die then.
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    Until @crocve comes up with some BS evidence saying that Romney hasn't won (even though he has).
  20. RickPerryLover strawberries oh sweet Jesus strawberries

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    If he had any he would have responded to my post with more than "RickPerryLover, you are full of non-sense."...

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