(False) Historical stereotypes

You can't say we didn't lose in "military terms" or some shit. If you lose enough people that the majority of your country want you out, then you have lost. Of course the military could have kept going. In the American Revolution, the British military could have kept going, they could have easily sent another massive army, but they didn't. Just because your military can keep going doesn't mean that you haven't lost.

They did it in Iraq. Are going to do it in Afghanistan.

It was a war between North and South Vietnam.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

Those are all of the declarations of war by the United States.

Because Ler said that America lost the war.

No, I am just stating the obvious I guess.

Not even that, the US never failed in protecting South Vietnam when it was involved.

Because we didn't.

That makes no sense whatsoever, so I take it that we lost the Iraq war which again wasn't a war because everyone wants the troops out?

Without a doubt.

What makes you think that?

I never mentioned once that the US could have kept going. The only thing that I am saying is that the US never lost the Vietnam War.

Just keep thinking that buddy.

South Vietnam fell to comunism

After US involvement.

I can do this too.

The United states did not win the Vietnam war, they were allied to the south Vietnamese who lost making them apart of the losing coalition.

I guess your right if you look at way. I'm going to get out this argument anyway.

It mentions the Vietnam war in that link.

And once they left, the South fell. What a success.

Your fancy schmancy link also mentions this as a war declared by the US.

Because the British Empire was the most powerful country in the world by a long shot? Besides, they were dealing with heavy pressure by the Spanish, French and Dutch at the time, all three being major naval and colonial powers at the time.

You agreed that they could two lines above this. Might want to cut back on the contradictions.

The point still stands.

Proving my point that they had to deal with other nations other than the US.

Not in the official US declarations of war.

Exactly.

Not an officially declared war.

I meant as in before that post.

Of what? We didn't lose the war, South Vietnam did.

And here is the argument that uber patriots like yourself use to try and claim that we didn't lose the war. This logic is akin to a child claiming it wasn't them. Yes, we lost the war. It was our war, we had tens of thousands of troops involved, we lost thousands of troops, we pulled out and did not meet our goals. Do you really think we would have just let South Vietnam be annexed if we thought we could actually save them?

Also, according to your link the Vietnam war was a "military engagement authorized by Congress".

And would you consider the Korean War as a war?

Wait, never mind, I was thinking about another discussion.

Yes it is, don't try and deny it.

You're not getting it, are you?

Sure is.

You said you never said the US could go on, yet you agree with someone when he said the US could go on.
Either stop contradicting yourself or be more clear.

The US was still on their side, and in the end their mission failed.

Did what? Win US? If that's what you meant (I hope so, haven t had a good laugh today) I will eagerly what.
edit.Just so everybody is clear, I think US lost that war, but not in military terms, meaning its wrong to sayy " ragtag group of guerrilla fighters managed to kick out world-power military"

Did you know during the Vietnam conflict that thousands of Vietmanese-Korean children were born as a result of South Korean soldiers being involved in the war?
The children are all in their 40's now and are some of the poorest citizens of Vietnam, recieving little aid, if at all.

No, at the end of the US involvement, South Vietnam was still independent.

No it isn't. Did you read the Wikipedia link?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Declaration_of_war_by_the_United_States

I believe I said it wasn't a formal declaration of war.

How is it the United States fault that when we left Vietnam that South Vietnam fell?

No it isn't.

I am not contradicting myself when I meant before that post.

We never were in the war.

How can we lose a war that we weren't officially involved in? It wasn't our war, it was North and South Vietnam's war.

We left before they were annexed.

Well, Congress does have to authorize any sort of military action.

It was a war between North and South Korea but not America.

lol

Then why did we have tens of thousands of soldiers there?

As if it is really that hard to reinforce the Vietnamese. Our allies, by the way.

If Congress has authorized it, it lasts for years, thousands of our soldiers are killed and maimed, then its a fucking war.

Once again, then why did we have tens of thousands of soldiers there?

To police the area.

The American population demanded that we get out of there.

No it isn't. If it was a war, then why didn't the United States call it a war or why didn't we declare war?

Once again, to police the area.

I donno, everybody calls it the VIETNAM WAR.
Just saying.

Well because it was a war between North and South Vietnam.