Flag Burning

Discussion in 'General Philosophy' started by Lighthouse, Dec 8, 2011.

  1. Lighthouse Well-Known Member

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    I walked to my Civivs today and the teacher said we need to clarify what falls under each amendment, In a few moments the teacher said for the people for flag burning to be legal to go to one side of the classroom, and ones against it on the other side. Suprisinly about 65% of them were PRO flag burning! ( Most of the kids are 13-14 ) I wasn't too thrilled about that because only me and my friend had a grade above a C+ on our side. As you can proably tell I am not a good debater. But I am really suprised that many kids were for it.

    I was pretty glad that the rest of the class was open minded and when you had a good point you could swap sides. Anyhow on a different note a 7th grade teacher in 2006 took some kids outside they're Boston Middle School and burned 2 american flags, then had to make a paper on there thoughts... and then were supposed to talk to his parents about it.

    I myself think its only O.K to burn it if it touches the ground.

    Anyhow tell me your opinions. This is very serious so try not to troll and respect people's opinions plz.
  2. Toast Well-Known Member

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    It's not that serious.

    People who are obsessed with the flag and the eagle are simple-minded people. I thought the American flag represented freedom, so why don't you have the freedom to set it on fire?
  3. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    I wouldn't do it but if someone was doing it. It's not a big deal to me in the end your burning a piece of fabric and I know that it symbolizes a nation but just buring a flag doesn't destroy the pride of a nation. I find it disrespectfull but if I saw a guy doing it I mite yell at him but I'm not gonna go over and attack the guy.
  4. Lighthouse Well-Known Member

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    I dont know if your american or not but it stands for freedom and democracy. Trust me I am one of the last people to whine over something like this. But it stands for everything America stands for.
  5. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    They have every right to, and anyone who claims we should ban is unamerican and a commie bastard(and im surprised this issue hasn't been up before)
  6. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    So... to you america stands for locking up people up for burning a piece of fabric??? How unpatriotic....
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  7. stupified619 Well-Known Member

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    They are burning a piece of fabric that you can buy for 99 cents.
    I don't see the point in complaining about it, unless it's a very important flag to someone.
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    Yes. So in a free and democratic society, you shouldn't be prosecuted for burning a flag, right?
  9. Viking Socrates I am Mad Scientist

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    It's a flag and burning it is a very important part because we have the ability to without getting arrested, and hey i can get a new flag right now.

    http://civilliberty.about.com/od/freespeech/p/flagburning.htm
    http://law2.umkc.edu/faculty/projects/ftrials/conlaw/texasvjohnson.html
    http://classweb.gmu.edu/jkozlows/lawarts/12DEC89.pdf
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Flag_Desecration_Amendment
    http://thomas.loc.gov/cgi-bin/query/z?c109:S.J.RES.12:

    I direct you to the above and allow you to chance to read each article.
  10. LeonTrotsky Well-Known Member

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    Flag burning is a fairly controversial issue. More or less it runs like this: If you're doing it to properly dispose of a flag(It's the LAW) people are cool. If you do it for anything else... they don't like it. For more info on proper US flag etiquette: http://www.senate.gov/reference/resources/pdf/RL30243.pdf
  11. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    It should be frown upon but not illegal. It is protected by your freedom of expression to set the flag on fire.
  12. Chelsea366 Retired Moderator

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    There's a very simple solution to avoiding trouble when burning the American flag. Paint it entirely white first. That way people will think you're burning the French flag and no-one cares about the French.

    On a serious note, I agree with what Mayor said.
  13. Imperial1917 City-States God of War

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    You're also not supposed to raise any flag higher than the U.S. National Flag apparently.
  14. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    Flag burning? The destruction of a symbol...
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    This is a rather controversial issue, we have some people who are just flat out patriotic and would flip out if you where to breathe on it the wrong way. Then on the other side, we have those who support america but are not CRAZY about it. Too me if a flag touches the floor and is defiled upon recognition it then stands for nothing and should be replaced. I love my country but im not crazy about it.



    (I have edited this post due to my lack of details)
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    Burn the flag all you want. If you want to waste your money to buy a flag for the sole purpose of lighting it on fire, do go ahead.
  17. battleearl Well-Known Member

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    Sometimes people even paint a flag themselves rather than buying one...
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    I remember when the Louisiana State Legislature tried to make it a maximum 25 dollar fine if you beat the crap out of someone if they burned an American flag.

    So like, it's wrong to burn the American flag, but if it touches the ground all so slightly then it is meaningless and needs to be destroyed? How does changing the location make it stand for something entirely different?
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    What im just trying to say is that a flag belongs on a pole where it can properly represent its country. For all to see and be proud of that's the only message. As for the floor I think if a flag is defiled and mistreated it should be replaced. Maybe not burned but taken care of one way or another.


    EDIT: I was nearly voicing my opinion not talking about some people as a majority.
  20. Chelsea366 Retired Moderator

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    I agree with Kara. Yes you read that correctly. It makes absolutely no sense for the flag to lose it's meaning just by it touching the ground or being slightly mistreated.

    I mean if it's mistreated to the point where it's in poor condition then fine, replace it. I still don't see how it touching the ground is that terrible though.

    It also makes no sense to be violently patriotic over a piece of cloth no matter what it represents.

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