Libya Superthread

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by noelsoong, Feb 17, 2011.

  1. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    Would you rather we spoke of Vagina's? Is that what you're in to?
  2. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    I don't think it's an e-peen contest, I think there's a deeper psychological difference between wanting justice (whatever your version of that is) served, and wanting to shoot a defenseless person, criminal or not.
  3. CheFlegel New Member

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    That is my idea of justice. Dealing punishment where it is deserved. I don't care if they are defenseless, you don't give the person you are about to kill a gun.
  4. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    I'm not saying you engage in a battle royale with them, but to me there are few things people can do to dehumanize themselves and very few people have attained that. Evil people, child molesters, serial killers, mass murderers maybe deserve something dehumanizing like a firing squad. However people fighting for what they believe in? Even if you disagree with it they're still entitled to some basic human decency.
  5. CheFlegel New Member

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    There is no set moral value in this world. As they say "All is fair in love and war."
  6. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    And I get that, I guess I just never understood the mindset that allows you to want to line a person up and stare at him and shoot him dead. Few people actually have that in them and it's a pretty heavy emotional burden
  7. The Shaw Rawnald Gregory Erickson the Second

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    IMO Gaddafi has escaped to the oasis City of Sabha, deep in the Libyan desert, which hosts a military base. it would be tough for the rebels to launch an offensive there, due to it's remoteness. The NTC will likely ask the city and it's remaining loyalists to surrender, and they will likely be all like, come and get me, bitch, and then the rebels will assault, and after that it's anyone's guess. I suspect it will end in an epic last stand, which might take more than one assault, or the loyalists will give up and hand their leader over.

    "And after the battle, the boy's body lay mangled by the bronze sword, for in his death, all things appear fair"
    I don't agree, but I like that quote/saying a whole lot better, but I can't remember who said it.
  8. noelsoong This machine does not require caffeine to operate.

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    De-humanising people is a crime.
  9. crocve Well-Known Member

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    Son of a bi***!

  10. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    people dehuminize themselves, child molesters, serial killers etc, when you rape a nine year old you have become less human in my book.
  11. Toast Well-Known Member

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    In my books, you only become "less human" if you lose a vital organ and cease to function correctly, like paralysis. I don't believe in the concept of "de-humanizing" a person psychologically. That being said I would rather have Gaddafi on house arrest than see him die regardless.
  12. Karakoran Well-Known Member

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    I can't see him having a way all the way to Sabha. His possible tunnels couldn't go that far. Maybe to Sirte, but then he has to go across a giant desert.

    Not to mention if he holes himself up in Sabha they can just starve the city out. It's not self-sufficient, I'm guessing. Especially not for an army.
  13. Inquisitor burner of heretics

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    he is most likely in his home city, if i was him thatd be where i'd go at this point. most of his forces have orders to go there anyways so why no go where you have more then half of whats left of your military.
  14. Spartacus Well-Known Member

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    Someone lossing an organ and someone raping a child or commiting genocide is bit different don't you you think. One is just physical part of you that cant define who you are as person, while killing innocents inlarge numbers simply because they disagree with you may hint at you haveing a seriously fucked up mind. As for gaddafi, i think at this point he desrves the death penalty, it would be different if he step down before his country became a huge warzone, but its to late for that, he is responisable for the all the deaths that have occured in this war because he was to selfish to step down from power and for that i just don't think house arrest is an a adequate punishment.
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    If they have a "fucked up mind", so be it, it doesn't make them any less "human".

    Nobody deserves to be killed, regardless of the allegations. Having him imprisoned for life or put under house arrest is going to give him an adequate amount of time to think about what he's done to his own innocent people. Having him wallow in his own pity is a much more suitable and humane punishment than just ending it.
  16. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    See that's where the psychological aspect comes into play. There are people who have never, nor will never feel any remorse over there actions so what's the point in letting them sit there for the rest of their lives and relive their glory days? Charles Manson has been sitting around for 60 years on tax payers money writing frigging books about how much of a psychotic murderer he is.

    I read a pretty compelling article yesterday that discussed this. A lot of US security experts believe he will go into hiding in his hometown because that's where he's going to experience the most amount of support. Think about Sadam in Iraq. He went back to Tikirit and survived for months before we were able to find him. Given the comparative intelligence and military capabilities between the US in 03 and the rebels today, I would imagine it will take them a lot longer to actually find the guy.
  17. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    going, going, pretty much gone.
  18. 0bserver92 Grand King of Moderation

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    I saw a rebel wearing that hat.
  19. MayorEmanuel Do not weep, for salvation is coming.

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    some of his stuff is now on eBay
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    Where! I want to buy his uniform!

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