Libya Superthread

It's ok! I love how dismissive Westernized brainwashed people can become. Air strikes they just bombed locations. They just bombed soil that legitimately does not belong to them. That's all they did, nothing more other than bomb civilian centers and soil that doe snot belong to them. Where in the hell do you get off?

The Rebels did not ask for NATO's help, NATO was more than welcome to assists them! I'm sure NATO had this in the books longer than you can remember oh boy this must have been a dream come true! Yet we didn't find an outcry of Libyan dissidents before, and I'm sure your happy Western ass wasn't feeling compassion or even knew where Libya was on the map before you felt sympathy for them. This is another attempt at neo-Colonialism because the AU even stated they did not support any sort of bombings by NATO on African soil. Yet NATO has the right to do anything it damn well please.

Namely support a war in a country many in the West likely would not have located on a map.[/quote:27o9uxmv]

I bet you 1000 dollars he didn't know where Libya was on the map before any of this started, like you stated.

They get the right because international law compelled intervention. Your seething hatred of international institutions is nice and everything, but I would at the very least ask for some fucking evidence or even a damn theory as to how NATO, a military organization with competitive members is going to do anything to actually benefit from the intervention. Just because the international community has decided to help people doesn't mean there is a great conspiracy against the people of Libya.

And where the fuck do you get off on your righteous high-horse when you're supporting a dictator? Whether or not you think the intervention is great or shit, you are defending the right of ONE MAN to rule without opposition. Benevolence (lol Gadaffi and benevolence...) plays absolutely no fucking part in the much greater evil that is authoritarianism.

I tire of your fucking racist bias. Every time you post here you accuse people of racism. I absolutely detest it when people card their opposition in the way you're doing here, because it means you don't actually have an argument, you're just irrationally angry.

And is any of this supposed to make us feel bad for deposing a brutal dictator?

Only a paranoid fool cooks up a grand conspiracy to explain away good things.

Name the underlying factor, explain how it's even being handled in the status quo, and provide some fucking evidence. Else accept that people are capable of compassion and respect for dignity. Fuck.

OH LOOK YOU ACCUSE US OF RACISM AGAIN DUR HUR.

Yea completely ignore the fact that the AU and the Arab League asked for an intervention.

Remember when the people of europe threw out those monarchs and striped them of all political power making them irelevant to anything else then the rainbow press?

Oh yea Lybia was a perfectly happy place before the un resolution. Ah wasn't it great the time when dictators could torture and massacre it's peacfuly protesting citicens. Also Ghadaffi stole billions of dollars worth of oil money. Also from the begining of the protests in Egypt there where voices asking mubarak to step down, no suport for him from the west.

Well he did! He sold large amounts of oil to europe until the un resolution, so the chain of events is all backwards in your logic!

The genocide in rwanda? It is funny that you bring that up. It is the turning point in the "no intervention in civil war"-doctrine. First of the genocide in Rwanda was caused by hutus and tutzis. The only guilt the west has is by abstaining from intervening! When will the african people start taking responsiblity and stop blaiming the west for their own wrong doing?
same goes for your kongo remark.

Lowest corruption? I loled hard. Ghadaffi became a billionaire and one of the richest men in africa during his reing of terror. Stealing billions of dollars from the people. But i guess if its the brother leader, the one doing the corruption datas just leaves that out.......

Again, during ghadaffis reign he sold oil at large to the eu, if its all about oil it would have ben better if ghadaffi stayed. The chain of causality wrong again!

Yes there allways is! You just have to look at a map. While Kongo, Syria etc. is incredibly far away Lybia is right at the border of the EU, so it is far easier to intervene. Also to try and get away with masacres right at the border of EU didn't work in ex-Jugoslavia and it wont work in north africa.

Egypt: Credible Argument.

Kal: Blah Blah Blah I'm right your wrong, blah blah blah, everything NATO has ever done has been in the favor of the country's it bombs the shit out of, blah blah blah, oh you show credible signs of racism? Obviously you are playing the race card. I'm white, I have no time for your tom foolery, blah blah blah.

AU sent a letter to the UN to stop the illegal intervention you retard.

Che: Finally, somebody who's actually going to agree with me. I'm so excited. Despite him blatantly showing signs of playing the race card, I'm going to turn it on Kalalification and get rid of two birds with one stone.

To be fair Gaddafi did do well in modernising the country and its not really fair to call him corrupt because of the oil because lets look at the other african countrys.I dont know why but I like Gaddafi theres something likeable about him but Im not that bothered how this war turns out even if Gaddafi some how won I wouldnt mind.

How is he playing the race card? For exposing racism? Damn, those people should stay quit and go to the back of the bus right?

And yet you're going to ignore Western puppets like Gbagdo who you prop up? Considering no one was allowed to speak up against Mubarak for so long you're going to give me this horse shit excuse that all of a sudden the West wants democracy for the Arab world? Considering the West's policy in the Middle East is self serving and based on stability you arguing this is far fetch'd and shows how jaded you are.

You cared now, over a man who took care of his people yet didn't give a shit until a nation of 80 million exploded in righteous anger by a dictator supported by your country. Oh what a world we live in!

Oh no man this is just my hobby! I bring up the genocides in Rwanda and how Europe fucked up and doesn't care about Africa other than occasional handouts - racism. And yet we bring up things like the Holocaust everyday saying how great of a tragedy it was. You know what was a true genocide? Killing over 200 million Native Americans in the country you stand on. No, let's focus on the Holocaust. Slavery, dictatorships and the continued presence of neo-colonialism, c'mon bro stop being racist!

Yes a brutal dictator who had the lowest corruption index in all of Africa. Yet you didn't care when Assad the Syrian dog fired on his own people. You didn't take out a brutal dictator in your eyes, you took out a leader who did not solicit oil to your greedy asses and so supported a people who likely will.

Let's be honest, heh.

People? Yes. Brainwashed people such as yourself? Hellllllllll no. How come just now, just this very instant, just this very iota in history, you decided to give a damn about a people you likely heard little to no dissidence to prior to the uprising? Tell me!

You mistake an accusation from truth. Look are you mad? Because when I speak up about this to my white friends how it's not right go in and kill Iraqis and how many struggle daily they plug their ears and gang up on me in disagreement. This is how I feel, and when I bring this to you, you react no different. Then claim you are capable of compassion and respect for dignity? WHAT RESPECT? WHAT DIGNITY DID YOU HAVE FOR THOSE PEOPLE??? No, you don't. You will continue to believe what you willingly wish to believe (Gaius Julius Caesar). See? Even I know a little bit about Western history that you don't...

No, for calling everyone who doesn't agree with his (and your) point of view a racist.

Because showing the facts that nobody gave two shits about Rwanda automatically makes it so he is using the race card right?

This is what I'm talking about. Plug your ears and don't listen to my pleas or my viewpoints. Nit pick a few things, and continue to support something many who are not you oppose.

To call someone crazy is the worst thing in the world. It's dismissive. "Oh, I don't understand this person so I'm crazy" that's bullshit. I don't know, maybe the society of "understanding" you all have created for yourselves is a little sick...

Nice sig btw Che with Mandella and Gaddafi.

No, because your saying that no one gives two shits because their African. And it is probably not that hard to find western relief organizations for the help of Rwanda.

I have an inkling that you're quoting Dave Chappelle here, but I understand your point.

Yes and thanks

Oh and check it out:

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/world ... 44671.html

There has always been an undercurrent, a resentment and the war has given sections of Libya an opportunity to actualise their darkest feelings...it is a repeat of the 2000 Massacre (http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/africa/958211.stm), only this time with no government to intervene

Yet all we saw was that we took out a dictator right?

Look at what the UN even said:

http://www.unhcr.org/4e57d1cb9.html

What a joke of a body.

But for fear of being labeled as someone who uses the "racist" card I will ask you all to just ignore me and please look up an "America, Fuck Yeah!" video to forget about this.

His point on America supporting many dictators that have been far worse than even the most ignorant person can claim Gaddafi has been? A few even being African?

You were saying that the west has acted or not acted in Africa recently based off racial bias.

Really? I wasn't aware that I supported Gbagbo, nor that the West was supporting him when they opened up on his home with missiles and machine gun fire when he refused to step down. That's really a terrible example to use here, honestly.

Well for one thing, yes, we absolutely do (have you met anyone who is actively opposed to the Arab Spring?), but perhaps more telling here is that you assume our tacit approval of dictatorship. Popular democracy is an extremely powerful force today. The governments of Europe and America can't afford to continue their cognitive dissonance between intervening on the behalf of freedom and supporting tyrannies. This isn't a bad thing, like you are apparently making it out to be.

Well of course it's self-serving, but that doesn't mean it's promoting evil. Democracy is never a step back.

The impetus for change wasn't there. No momentum or awareness illuminated the masses. But that's not important. What is important is that the intervention is a good thing. Deposing dictators is a good thing, no matter their credentials. To live in a world where we can sit idly by and approve of that kind of nonsense is far worse than one that, though slow it may be, can be spurred into action for everyone's benefit. It's so much BS to support Gadaffi in light of what he is and what he's done.

Sure, let's just generalize the shit out of this. Let's ignore the billions in aid from sovereign governments every year, the many more billions in private charities, and both the internationally mandated and internationally motivated organizations that make a difference every day. Because the alternative is so much fucking better.

When have you ever seen anyone here ever make a specific argumentative caveat on the basis of race? Ever? Because I sure haven't. No one cares what color your skin is. It doesn't fucking matter. That you think it matters only belies your irrational anger that finds no other release than to harp on perceived ignorance.

Wow I seriously can't believe what you're saying here. The Holocaust isn't a big deal because the victims were white, but the dying out of Native American civilizations from hundreds of years ago should be at the forefront of our minds.

Where is this coming from? Slavery is illegal everywhere in the world, and isn't based on race.

Again, not race related and not something praised. We stand in firm opposition to dictatorship. We just need to ramp up our opposition to dictators a bit more.

Neo-colonialism means nothing. It's a bunch of hot air without any merits. Something that people pull out when they get desperate.

No one cares about race. It's a non-issue, especially when it comes to I-law and military action.

Oh boy I bet Libyans were so excited for him to hold that honor! YOU ARE DEFENDING A MADAMAN'S LEGITIMACY.

Really? Is that why it's making headlines every day and people are calling for another intervention? Because we didn't care?

Please don't provide any evidence or even argumentative theory as to how exactly this all plays out. Please continue to just make these assumptions without any factual basis, and just rely on your rhetoric of Western greed, racism, and oppression.

Oh look, one of those again. Thank God for your free mind and intellectual superiority. I don't know what we'd do without you here making baseless claims and calling us racists!

Does it even matter? At all? You're going to question whether or not it's a good thing for a dictatorship to die? That's worse than anything capitalism or the West can throw at you.

God this is annoying. Look kids, don't have an argument? That's okay, just call your opponents racists and everything will work out!

And yet he's still in power and Obama sat down with him. You actually still think the West really cares? That's hilarious...

You may need to relieve yourself because you are so full of shit.

"America's policy in the Middle East has shifted to one of stability in the region rather than democracy."
-Al Jazeera?

No, CNN.

And you're all so afraid if an Islamic party takes over, yet isn't this democracy if they do so via peaceful balloting? What kind of bigotry is this? Powerful democracy, when 60% of the American people don't even approve of their own current acting government and have to wait 4 years to change it? You should do stand up, honestly.

Self-serving means you have your own motive and not the truest intention of helping a person in need. When I see someone on the street I help them because they are people in need. Not because it's of self serving interest, that's so vile. Soon as it becomes self-serving people who get in your way will need to be disposed of in order for you get what you want. So instead of promoting good as your number one objective it becomes to do what's right for you.

Sound familiar?

We're looking at change right? But why are we not addressing the massacre of Blacks now taking place by rebels in Libya? Why are we not addressing the fact the Rebels refused free elections? :lol: Why man? Is there something more to it? Or are we just going to take it all at face value because we believe in some "America, Fuck Yeah!"?

Can we also examine the money given to Pakistani governments who funnel money to the Taliban with full knowledge and behest of the American government?

Because the alternative is so much fucking better.

So as an American citizen, I have the right to speak up about anything. But when you want to dismiss it and tell everyone I'm crazy for bringing up an argument I feel passionate about I'm being ignorant and the issue doesn't matter. It's too real to not matter. It may not have mattered then, but it sure as hell matters now and don't tell me it doesn't. You don't live it, I do. And you will, like most in this country who are the majority when I bring up this argument, plug your ears and yell, "lalala you're using the race card." Isn't it hilarious how it's usually minorities who feel wronged who bring up said card? And yet we are said to tolerate them? You highlight a word and then try and rally people against me based on one WORD.

Now let me ask the forum, who is being more irrational in this instance?

Way to misconstrue what I just said.

If the Holocaust is an issue now, shouldn't we also be reminded of things like slavery and the genocides in Rwanda and Cambodia? You're like Bill O'Reilly in that to win an argument you need to either, 1. Misconstrue something or 2. Completely change the argument in order to yell at someone as a way of convincing someone.

Look how utterly DISMISSIVE you are. Neo-colonialism doesn't exist? What in the fuck... the strongest nation in Africa is still France believe it or not. It's not hot air, it's true and just because your comfy championing ass on a computer doesn't say it is doesn't mean it's not true. It's true, and in fact too true for someone like you to realize it.

Play to the crowd, it's the only way you can win at this point.

The rebels captured the post of Ras Adjir, yeasterday, in the border with Tunisia. Now, the rebels are advancing to Sirte, from the West and East.
The resistance of the loyalists in Tripoli it´s almost over.

I just wanted to update the situation.

More update: Aparently, many news agencies are saying that there are reports that 6 armored Mercedes were seen crossing the border to Algeria. It could be Ghadafi and it´s sons. but it´s still unconfirmed, if this happened.