Libya Superthread

This guy does not know what he's talking about.

If the UN never intervened Gaddafi would have killed all of Bengazi in as he put it "an ocean of blood", yes civilians died but if you are demanding perfection from NATO or any organization for that matter you are going to be disappointed for the rest of you life. Simply handing out free healthcare does not make up for being a brutal dictator.

Is Libya better off than it was under Gaddafi? Is the world a safer place with missiles in terrorist hands? Did the common people actually even give a shit about toppling Gaddafi? Sure, your all for taking Gaddafi down because he was a dictator and all the other horrible things that comes with being one and your obviously an intellectual, but if you were a common person who didn't voice how they want regime change, then quite possibly you wouldn't care and would just enjoy the benefits that he had supplied. You assume that everyone hated Gaddafi, while what's actually true is that most didn't want political change and just wanted to proceed with their lives. Let me stress the fact that Libya HAD one of the best living standards in Africa. Libya wasn't no shit hole like in Somalia.

Edit:
The protests in Benghazi were started by a Libyan official who had defected to France. In France he worked with the French intelligence and quite possibly NATO in order to start the protests.

This. So much this. I've been trying to make this point forever.

Do you even know anything about this revolution or the Arab Spring in general? It was a youth revolution for political change so they could control their own futures influenced by what happened in Egypt and Tunisia not some NATO plot. Just because people didn't care doesn't mean it shouldn't happen and from what I know the common people did support this revolution not all of them but most of them.

Anyone who say's otherwise is just fooling themselves. If you take several large groups of unorganized people with guns and many different viewpoints, goals, motives, ideologies, then there is possibly no way that all those groups will listen to one over themselves. They each think that Libya should be something entirely different.

Unless they share a common goal which they would work towards. but when that goal
is done they will either go seaprate ways or make another goal together.

People will always disagree on how to run things that is why in the West we have parties that represent those ideas. The people of Libya can be united all they need is representation and for their voice to be heard.

The Arab spring is definitely legit and the overthrowing of Mubarak and other such dictators were in fact something that the people did want, but don't come here saying that bullshit that Libya actually had a legit revolution by the people. If Egypt and Tunisia didn't need foreign intervention, then Libya could have gone without it also. Not to mention that NATO bombings weren't used in Tunisia, nor Egypt.

Gaddafi is different he is a madman, a psychopath that would not give up control like the others did he used excessive violence against his people and threatened genocide.

Probably because they didn't escalate into civil wars that had been ongoing for a month before intervention started?

Since when have the voices of the Libyan people been heard in all these months of war? Sure, what you say might sound easy, but its not. Armed men make governments from revolutions, not political parties. Besides, there's so many extremist groups that you would probably get a second Iran. The rebels(men with guns) will decide the future, not the people.

Do you guys really think that a leader that has ruled a country for 4 decades would threaten civil war by saying he's going to commit genocide on his people? Btw, didn't I already say that the UN resolution never mentioned the support of regime change?

No there a plans for Libya that include disarmament and the people of Libya will not let extremist groups in Libyans are moderate Muslims. You think that the government won't fight extremist groups that threaten the country? They will they have shown what the people can do and what they want it will not happen. He did say he was going to commit genocide against his own people in a television broadcast go look it up. With the resolution it's kind of implied that your siding with the NTC.

Did you just try to make a comparison between the politics of an established Western Democracy and a Second World nation in North Africa that is currently torn by civil war?

Are you high? Where in the resoultion does it IMPLY that the UN is going to help in regime change? Besides, I've said it time and time again, it's against the UN policy to intervene in civil wars. Also, i lol'd when you said that the NTC will fight the rebels who helped overthrow Gaddafi. Obviously we have a bunch of optimistic kids in these forums. If the NTC even fired a shot at another rebel group, then the country would enter a stage beyond being fucked over. Also, fix your grammar. Its barely legible.

I like this guy.

No that is what the groups want under Gaddafi they had no say and their customs were oppressed but the new government will give them say that is what they need. It is pessimism that will fail anything you have to be optimistic or nothing will work. What is wrong with my grammar I see nothing wrong with and others can attest to that.

(Offtopic) Seriously, are you just trying to piss me off with that horrible use of grammar? I had to read that like three times and I still don't think I understand it fully. (Offtopic)