Libya Superthread

You do make good points, but personally im glad Gaddafi gone and im hoping the best for Libya and its people which we should all be watching as close as possible.

yes it does we are not going to let innocent people die because of something we can prevent.

But we can prevent alot of people from dieing and we choose to ignore it, why is this such a special case why does this lead to intervention, why don't we stop genocides going on in Africa or dictators.

That's the problem people don't do anything till it's demanded and they look bad for not doing it or until there is something in it for them.

Viking Socrates actually brought up a pretty good point. Why isn't the UN intervening in places like Uganda and other similar countries and peoples affected by the Lord's Resistance Army? They've been committing massacres for over two decades now and the only thing that has been done is to send a handful of troops. Why in Libya which was one of the wealthiest nations in Africa targeted instead?

Look at the post above yours.

There something up and i don't know what, Im glad the Libyans are rid of Gaddafi and i really do hope they can go to "democracy" (tough its a tribal country and i doubt it) but i really do hope for Libya sake they weren't getting used by NATO and the U.N (which needs to step its game, cause there currently genocides going on all over the world but we let it happen)

But Gaddafi is dead and the Arab revolution goes on, the question remains "who next"

I have hope they can form a working government. As the NTC is made up of people form all of the groups of the country they can work towards getting rid of Gaddafi, why not democracy. Hopefully Iran is next.

What does that have to do with anything I have said? People in Uganda have been wanted intervention for decades and so have people in Somalia, yet only minimal effort is used by the UN. Right now tens of thousand of Somalians are dying of Famine and this happens regularly from time to time there. UN was made for humanitarian reasons and yet they do so little where it actually matters. The only people actually making a difference are organizations, or individuals.

It's a cost-benefit analysis that each and every nation has done through out history. War is expedite and we can't rush in everytime some dictator rears his/her (ok his) ugly head. Our national interests are part of the intervention thought process, is this a problem? Not really but if you are trying to demonize the west by asking why we don't rushing into every shithole on the planet I ask you what has anyone else actually done?

Well it isn't being demanded by many large international groups and if they didn't help in Libya people would see the UN and NATO as groups that support violence and dictators. With those incidences they can help very little or nothing and it doesn't hurt their rep in anyway. Part of it is also media coverage Libya was reported on and people saw what was happening and wanted action, people are not seeing that with Somalia. These places will not benefit them in any way if they help them which is a deciding factor.

Iran fall, no there no sighs of true unrest there. We have awhile to we have a "Democratic" Iran again.

http://www.invisiblechildren.com/

These people have given humanitarian aid to the people of Uganda and have given them connections via radio and such to the outside world. They have given young children there scholarships and have ensured that the people have ways of contacting them if they ever feel threatened. They have also brought the current state of Uganda and all the peoples affected by the LRA to Obama. THEY have done more for these people than the UN has done for more than two decades.

Can we have a UN intervention against the Corporate Dictatorship of America please?

They are doing the right thing. They are bringing attention to the problem that needs to be fixed. I am saying the UN needs to do more than just Libya and help the rest of the world.

Silly Lenin Cat we are the U.N. Why would they destroy there own Owners as well.

I agree, but not to the extent of bombing foreign nations.

Yay for altruism but I talking about other goverments, the rest Of the world is just as guilty as what ever great evil you feel like bringing up. But Uganda/Somalia/ what ever 3rd place. Is still rundown enough enoug for you to go off on a rant so they aren't doing a spectacular job either.

If that is what is necessary yes. Were we just supposed to let Gaddafi run over the rebels with tanks and let him slaughter innocent people?

Had we not helped out then Benghazi would have seen a blood bath, so the question is did we save more lifes by stoping Gaddafi and i believe we did. Tough im still skeptical as to why we did.