Libya Superthread

Discussion in 'The Political/Current Events Coffee House' started by noelsoong, Feb 17, 2011.

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  1. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Death To American Imperialism! Death To NATO!

    I mean I think a democratically elected government would be a great gift, but I don't see it as America giving this to them. We'll see how things pan out, especially in relation to the other revolutions going on in the region.

    As for DU munitions, America isn't the only country using them. I obviously can't justify the humanitarian aspect of their use and if it was up to me we wouldn't still be using them. However I will note that it would be highly unlikely for DU rounds to come into play as pretty much the only stuff we still use them for are Bradley's and seeing as we aren't using a ground force I don't see a delivery mechanism in place for them.
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  2. OttoVonBadass New Member

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    yes thats what i thought. may lives will be lost and these third world african countries automaticly fall with a first world western gov in charge considering they do not simply have the right stuff at that point
    OttoVonBadass, Mar 21, 2011
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  3. LucianNasir New Member

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    I'm even more disappointed in all of you now. This isn't even a question, it's an open and shut case.
    Why did NATO intervene? WE NEED OIL. So we sped up the revolution a little. Now the Nationalists have no tanks, aircraft, anti-air, basically nothing besides basic munitions and infantry.
    So I'd give Libya 2 weeks before it starts exporting oil again. Then everyone leaves and the status quo resumes. Nothing special is going to happen, it's just about oil again. Seriously, a revolution vs Iraq? That's insulting. They aren't even about the same topic, nor are they on the same CONTINENT.
    PLEASE watch the news before you make dumb assumptions everyone, it's pointless and it wastes time. As for anything else you could possibly say, no. My point is better expressed and coming from a more intelligent base. Go watch youtube videos of that cat you like so much now.


    As far as anyone is concerned, this thread is closed. It's not turning into Iraq, question answered. Seriously. Go now.
    LucianNasir, Mar 21, 2011
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  4. LucianNasir New Member

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    Again Russia and China Stand By And Watch!

    Seriously? This is absurd.
    1.What would you have them do?
    2.Why?
    3.How would they justify it?
    4.How does anything in Africa affect them?
    5.WHAT ARE YOU SMOKING!?!?!?
    LucianNasir, Mar 21, 2011
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  5. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    There are intelligent arguments that can be made to suggest Libya can turn into the next Iraq. Us politicians are putting forth their arguments at this very moment, and just because you don't want to see them or disagree with them doesn't mean you can dismiss them or question the intelligence of people on here.

    I completely agree with (most) of what you said but that doesn't give me the right to bash people for disagreeing with me.

    Also I don't think it's about oil. Looking at the nations heading this (France/US), they don't import significant quantities of oil from Libya so they don't stand to gain or loose by having greater oil access in Libya. I really see this as a human rights issue, but that isn't really at the heart of the question in this thread.
    pedro3131, Mar 21, 2011
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  6. C_G Well-Known Member

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    Again Russia and China Stand By And Watch!

    Reason why they didn't veto it - Libya no longer supplies oil to the west. That means that Russia supply more of it which means more money for them. China wouldn't have vetoed it because it is more profitable for them to let it go ahead. In case you have never realised it, money makes the world go round.
    C_G, Mar 21, 2011
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  7. LucianNasir New Member

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    Doesn't superior intelligence mean anything? Also, the congress's arguments are futile and just not smart.

    Can't America drag NATO into this? Who says France and the UK didn't join out of pressure from America? I mean, blood diamonds, Ethiopia and Eritrea, just tons of conflict in Africa and we only intervene in Lybia.
    Why? Do you live in America? Gas prices are freaking ridiculous. Connecticut is like $3.80 a gallon! Congress finally responded to the will of the people. They hurried the process along.
    (Even if we don't get a large part of our oil from Lybia, the government can pretend we do, and we really do, to pacify the populous. But really, with Egypt and now Lybia, America needs all the oil it can get. You can't deny that.)
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  8. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    Fact is America got dragged into this by a combination of NATO and popular support. Obama didn't get invovled into after France had essentialy called for unilateral action.

    And have you ever lived in Europe?
    http://money.cnn.com/pf/features/lists/ ... gasprices/
    And I can make a very good bet gas prices haven't gone down since 2005....
    pedro3131, Mar 21, 2011
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    Death To American Imperialism! Death To NATO!

    *comes in wearing tinfoil hat*

    let the government conspiricies continue!
    battalion, Mar 21, 2011
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  10. Link NO SWAG

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    I was raised by those people. Funny that I became a far left (for American politics, anyway) atheist.
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  11. LucianNasir New Member

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    It's still 1.from 2005 and 2.from CNN. You really think CNN is 100% accurate?
    LucianNasir, Mar 21, 2011
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  12. pedro3131 Running the Show While the Big Guy's Gone

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    2007
    http://www.gadling.com/2007/06/26/the-p ... the-world/
    2008
    http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/24896438/ns ... _business/
    http://www.time.com/time/world/article/ ... 00,00.html
    2010
    http://www.prix-carburants.gouv.fr/inde ... &seeFuel=3

    (.853 euros / liter = 4.50 $/gallon)


    Gas is more expensive in Europe... Period... I can take it from any source you want from any time period you want. They have a Value Added Tax on gas that has them paying much more for gas.
    pedro3131, Mar 21, 2011
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  13. Demondaze Xenos Scum

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    DAMN. You don't see shit like like that on fox.
    Demondaze, Mar 21, 2011
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  14. BurGroBro Well-Known Member

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    Bringing Socrates into this, think of the aligory of the cave. If you dont know what it is then look it up. I think Che should explore other options/points of view before comming back. I tried to look into the eyes of Gadafi and his supporters and at least I can say I do not like what I saw out of them. You are a result of exploring other options. It funny, my grandmother blamed bad weather on Soviet Rockets and the communist mennace was always after us. I am fairly left wing, still hate communists, love soscialism.
    BurGroBro, Mar 21, 2011
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  15. Kenaz Well-Known Member

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    How nice it is to see the false left take their masks of

    Damn straight. I'm glad to see some enlightened moderation on these forums.
    Kenaz, Mar 21, 2011
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  16. CoExIsTeNcE LeonTrotsky in Disguse

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    Libya The Next Iraq???

    Yeah, um, I actually have been outside the US. Gas prices are nothing to complain about. An Europe uses Liters. Liters<Gallon
    CoExIsTeNcE, Mar 21, 2011
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    How nice it is to see the false left take their masks of

    Here's the thing Che:

    We recognize the "imperialist" implications of this intervention. France and Britain need to keep their supply flowing and America's looking to cash in on some good PR. Oh, and prevent OPEC screwing with prices to compensate for a damaged Libya. Why is imperialism so bad? It's brought higher standards of living for nearly everyone in the Western world. And since we have to be much more accountable these days, I don't think a puppet dictatorship will be our method of control.

    There is a rather clear difference between Bahrain and Libya. Bahrain is not engaged in a full civil war. That said, the UN wouldn't be able to justify intervention anyways, so what difference does it make?
    Kalalification, Mar 21, 2011
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    Even though I left....

    The real traitor was Lenin, who murdered the "Mensheviks," the actual majority. Either way it worked out in the end.
    Kalalification, Mar 21, 2011
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    I never got why they were called Mensheviks when they had the majority.
    Fun Fact- Apparently, chrome doesn't recognize russian words. Its first suggestion as to the correct spelling was menservants. :lol:
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    Funerals of Civilians Bombed By French and American's

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