Libya Superthread

dude, im not on Ches side, but you got it the other way around, the US control NATO mainly not NATO the US

This would be an instance where it's the other way around. Happens relatively rarely nowadays, but sometimes we get dragged into shit by our allies.

this instance, yes, but even you have to admit that US controls NATO (most of the time).

I like how you've dumbed down how NATO works to simply "the US controls it". We have a lot of influence, but we can't FORCE our Allies to just simply deploy their military whenever and wherever we like.


Also, It was the UN called for intervention in Libya in the first place.

1. by saying controls it i ment influences it very, very, greatly.
2. UN is no longer credible as being neutral.

I'm pretty sure we didn't give a shit about Libya before this rebellion broke out. But as soon as the UN called for intervention and we knew it was going to be a NATO operation where the blowback can be shared, we jumped at the chance to get rid of Gadaffi and get some oil out of this. America just doesn't seem to be the primary instigator here. We're sure as hell being opportunistic though, so are France and Britain for that matter. It just seems like all three nations heard the UN's call and stood up saying "We'd be more than happy to!" Britain and France sure as shit hate Gadaffi as much as America does and they're oil-consuming nations too. So essentially, a nice juicy oil pie has been presented and these nations are all trying to get their slice.

We have the greatest influence in the sense that we have the largest military and are more willing to use it. Also, in the end, it's still our allies decision to deploy their military.

sums the whole situation up pretty well i think

I just looked it up. The UN Security Council resolution to intervene in Libya was, in-fact, proposed by France, Lebanon, and the United Kingdom. There are your instigators.

You do know it's mainly the French who are doing this and want us, the British, to help them... those Brits who watch BBC Parliment would know this... but the British Minister of Defence has stated that no British soldier will land on Libyan soil. The French have not stated that.

@Kali

Don't we all... I seem to remember a time not so long ago where we got dragged into a war.

How is the UN no longer neutral.

The UN is so clearly bias for the United States and NATO.

It's not our faults that that is what they vote for and blame other nations that have veto but don't use it.

United States should stop acting like the world police for once, and do something about your own god damn country. I'll give one thing to the United Nations, and that is they have confirm that the internet is for everyone and consider it a human right.

First of all the US isn't my country and second the UN votes on things and some countries have veto that's how it works.

Observer's actually right. The UN isn't bias to America, but the fact of the matter is that the only two countries that would be willing to veto anything are to busy protecting their own interest. China especially would much rather simply sell equipment and funnel money into both sides and then yell at them for their actions late. Which is smart in my opinion.

china is also bailing out countries when it still hasn't dealt with it's own debts.

I remember, your from Canada, i apologize for that one. UN decides the votes, and someone veto's on it. Of course the American's/NATO are going to vote on an no fly zone in Libya, and all that shit. In the end of the day. The US/NATO are there for their own interests and not the people of Libya.

It's really all about the resources in the end of the day. China will defend their own interests, much like everyone else. It's all about greed.

Yeah, which if America was smart, instead of fighting a few wars they can't win, they could be slowly rebuilding the economy and intervening economically in EU and abroad, thus beating China their own game. But of course they won't do that.

Well Russia was criticizing them and could have vetoed it but didn't so could China and India.