North versus South

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  1. Vassilli1942 Well-Known Member

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    Yes people do jump to accuse the whole country of supporting slavery. The thing is that is in the end everything can traced back to slavery. From the founding of the US the slavery issue was put a side. It first started with the founding fathers when they put the 3/5 compromise in the Constitution that counted every slave would repersent 3/5 of a person for repersentation in the house. This compromise had more to do with than just repersentation in a bigger sence every time someone talked about maybe doing something about slavery they wouldn't because the Costitution by having this compromise said that it was a legal institution.
    Than came the Missouri Compromise in 1820 when Missouri was about to become a state. Missouri wanted to become a slave state. The problem was that people in the north were concerned that by doing this that in the senate the free states could be out voted by the slave states because up till then the numder of free and slave states were equal. So what happens is that they come up with this compromise that would make Missouri a slave state and makes Maine a free state, so this keeps the number equal. Than the next part of this compromise is that every state that was to be formed north of the parallel 36 30' from this point on would be a free state. Now this compromise only talked about land that was part of the Louisiana Purchase. Make sure to rememder that.
    The next problem would come after the Mexican American War. The US would get alout of land after winning the war. So now the problem is when these territories tried to become states how were we going to decide weather or not these states were going to be slave or free. Now the Missouri Compromise was only about land that was part of the Louisiana purchase so they came up with a new compromise in 1850. The compromise made California a free state and stated that any state that that would come out of the New Mexico and Utah territory would be decided by Popular Sovereignty which aloud the people of the state to vote weather are not to become a free or slave state.
    Then came the problem of what to do with Kansas. Kansas was part of the Louisiana purchase so people were wondering would they use the compromise in 1820 or the the compromise in 1850 to decide. So what happens is the Kansas-Nebraska Act in 1854 to decide the issue by useing Popular Sovereignty. The thing is that this doesn't go over so well because people stated flooding to Kansas that are for and aganist slavery and this causes violence. (John Brown) and gives it the nickname "Bleeding Kansas". In a way this was just a smaller version of the civil war.
    Next would be the Dread Scott case in 1857 which ruled that Any person descended from Africans, whether slave or free, is not a citizen of the United States, according to the Constitution and that there was no such thing as a free state, which angered the people from the north. This ment that all the compromises take came before this were unconstitutionl. Than came to the event that would lead to Secession, the election of 1860 with Abraham Lincoln.
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    I believe Kansas was really where the Civil War started.
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    That or Missouri
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    Me to thats when it really started there was really no going back. Like I said in my other statement "In a way this was just a smaller version of the civil war."
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    Well I only said Kansas because that was really where the first blood was shed.
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    True, True
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    I just remembered that I left out the Harpers Ferry raid that was lead by John Brown in 1859. John Brown lead this raid in an attempt to seize weapons from the Federal Arsenal at Harpers Ferry to try to start an armed slave revolt. Brown's plan failed after he was defeated by detachment of U.S. Marines led by Col. Robert E. Lee.
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    Fun Fact: Lee was offered a promotion to become the commander of the US army, but when Virginia (his home state) seceeded he turned down the offer and joined the South.
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    Epic.
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    It's a very good movie that tells the war from both sides. It shows the battles of Bull Run, Fredericksburg, and Chancellorsville.

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    I have to get this movie.
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    There's bound to be an illegal way to get it.
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    Its called thepiratebay but I would actually want to get it legally. I would only pirate a game not a movie.
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    Why?
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    I dont know why.
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    Movies are easier than games.
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    I know they are easier. I usually only pirate a game because I see no use pirating a movie.
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    Saving money, that's the use.
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    Well since I dont usually buy movies that much to begin with I figure I should buy them because...
    A.) they are affordable unlike awesome games
    B.) I rarely buy them anyway

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